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westfw

So I bought some new W10 laptops for Christmas gifts.
The "setup" procedure is now narrated by voice, with Cortana doing the honors.
And she's "snarky" (sarcastic, etc)!   "Here we're asking you to agree to the microsoft windows license agreement.  You don't have to agree, but then ... no windows!"   "Please enter internet connection information so that you can get to downloading those cat videos as quickly as possible."

Robin2

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Dec 20, 2017, 11:30 am Last Edit: Dec 20, 2017, 11:31 am by Robin2
You don't have to agree, but then ... no windows!"
Sounds like an invitation to switch to Linux.

It's a disgrace that it is impossible to buy every PC or laptop slightly cheaper without Windows.

...R
Two or three hours spent thinking and reading documentation solves most programming problems.

AWOL

So I bought some new W10 laptops for Christmas gifts.
Presumably for people you don't like very much.

TKall

I am setting up my new computer.  It has windows 10.  This is my first experience with windows 10.  So far, i do not like windows 10. I do not like it on a plane.  I would not like it on a train.

wilykat

Sounds like an invitation to switch to Linux.

It's a disgrace that it is impossible to buy every PC or laptop slightly cheaper without Windows.

...R
Probably because it's easier to load Windows 10 with useless money-making junk to subsidy the cost of laptop or computer but Linux is a bit harder because there aren't many people who will buy computer with Linux pre-installed so there aren't any incentive to code some new money-grabbing junkware to shove into new Linux based computers.  Plus even if they did, there are over 600 variations of Linux and nearly all of them freely available so there's nothing to prevent new users from wiping the drive clean and installing virgin ad-free OS.  Windows aren't available for free so users can't just wipe drive and install one to delete all the junkware.

westfw

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there aren't any incentive to code some new money-grabbing junkware to shove into new Linux based computers. 
The last few linux installs I've made have come with their share of "junkware."
I have trouble believing that it's so difficult to start up a plain old xterm (or any other classic unix shell commands) on a modern linux :-(
I sort-of put "Windows" in the same "category" with "Arduino" - if I wanted everything I did to be an adventure, requiring me to track down how-to instructions from weird corners of the net, and didn't care if anything I did was ever usable or accessible by anyone else, I'd probably do something different...

Delta_G

I don't find that I have to google how to any more often with Linux than I did with Windows.  I do find that the results from such searches seem to be a little more concise and tend to work.  Like with windows problems it usually involves going through some esoteric menu or clicking on "Advanced options" on some window that I've never seen.  Then way too many need me to download some dubious software to make something work.  On linux there's usually some post that says, run this command and all is good and I run it and all ends up good. 


I think my favorite quote lately (and sorry I don't know who to attribute it to but it isn't mine)

Windows assumes that all users are total idiots.  Linux makes them prove it.
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Robin2

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Dec 21, 2017, 08:58 am Last Edit: Dec 21, 2017, 08:59 am by Robin2
but Linux is a bit harder because there aren't many people who will buy computer with Linux pre-installed
So why not sell the PC or laptop with no operating system and without the cost of whatever Microsoft charges. People who use Linux generally know how to install it.

The way PCs are sold is the equivalent of refrigerators being sold full of food you don't want.

...R
Two or three hours spent thinking and reading documentation solves most programming problems.

westfw

Windows costs as little as $0 for a vendor to add to a PC.   Or it did back in the windows 8.1 timeframe.
https://www.howtogeek.com/195934/what-exactly-is-windows-8.1-with-bing-do-i-have-to-use-bing/

Robin2

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Dec 21, 2017, 11:23 am Last Edit: Dec 21, 2017, 11:24 am by Robin2
Windows costs as little as $0 for a vendor to add to a PC.  
That sort of scam should be prohibited as an abuse of a dominant position in the market.

And while it means they don't have to pay Microsoft anything there must be some small cost in actually loading the Windows software onto a hard disk and verifying it.

...R
Two or three hours spent thinking and reading documentation solves most programming problems.

Qdeathstar

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Dec 21, 2017, 05:32 pm Last Edit: Dec 21, 2017, 05:33 pm by Qdeathstar
Windows is a lot more user friendly then mac or Libya. No audio app bash get to deal with... plus, I think it organizes its windows better than mac...

I like macs because they make zero noise.

Linux is only needed for a specialized reasons.... what advantage does it have for the layman?
A creaking creeping shadow
stiff against the freezing fog
glares at a tickless watch.

Time has failed him -- all things shall pass.

msssltd

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Dec 21, 2017, 06:18 pm Last Edit: Dec 21, 2017, 06:19 pm by msssltd
That sort of scam should be prohibited as an abuse of a dominant position in the market.
The real scam is the difference in price between OEM, volume licenses and retail licenses.  Small businesses can end up being stuffed into retail licenses costing 100% to 1000% more than anyone else is paying.  Automatic updates too.  Apart from being legalised vandalism, incremental updates give Microsoft the opportunity to render a Windows PC prematurely obsolete.

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And while it means they don't have to pay Microsoft anything there must be some small cost in actually loading the Windows software onto a hard disk and verifying it.
To get the very best OEM terms, manufacturers used to have to agree to supply Windows on every PC they shipped.  If you wanted Linux or whatever, you had to buy a Windows PC and format it.  I don't know whether that is still the case.

The manufacture cost is mainly in developing the duplication images.  Especially as Microsoft go to some lengths to cripple 3rd party imaging tools.  Once the image is working, economy of scale can make it more expensive to supply anything other than Windows.  Intervention in a production process is, relatively speaking, very expensive.
 
Bloatware became a feature of Windows installations during the price wars of the Noughties.  In an effort to gain market share, manufacturers cut their margins back.  Rumour has it Dell and HP went as low as 2%.  To sure up the vanishing margin, they started selling space on the Desktop to the likes of McAfee, Cyberlink and Wild Tangent.  Microsoft adopted the model with Windows 8, turning the start menu into a full screen bill board.  It got pared back in Windows 10 but the start menu is still an advertising channel and 'you are the product.'

Where Microsoft go next is hard to say.  There is not enough growth or money in selling your own desktop operating systems any more.  It wouldn't surprise me to see a Linux derived 'Microsoft Windows' within the next 5 years.


Qdeathstar

That's already how it is going, windows isn't going to release any new operating systems, e.g., windows 11z
A creaking creeping shadow
stiff against the freezing fog
glares at a tickless watch.

Time has failed him -- all things shall pass.

Delta_G

Windows is a lot more user friendly then mac or Libya. No audio app bash get to deal with... plus, I think it organizes its windows better than mac...

I like macs because they make zero noise.

Linux is only needed for a specialized reasons.... what advantage does it have for the layman?
I used to think so too until I spent some time with it.  If you've got something like Ubuntu then it works out just about the same.  Their windows don't look much different from windows windows.  And the settings are a whole lot simpler to navigate for the basic stuff.  You only need to get into the CLI if you're doing something advanced and then it's usually easier to run one command than to figure out all the various machinations you have to go through to do something outside the box on windows. 

And we're not even touching on stability.  Windows crashes.  That's what it does.  Linux doesn't do that nearly as often.  In three years on ubuntu doing all sorts of crazy stuff I've only locked it up once.  That was an almost daily ritual with windows. 

And the file system on Linux makes a lot more sense than all the different things you deal with in windows.

And simple things like setting up a printer.  On windows you go download a driver but it isn't the right one for this version so you hunt down another and then the damned thing still doesn't work.  I don't know how many hours I've lost to that.  With Linux you grab the driver in the repo and you know for 100% certain that it works with your distro because it came as part of it. 

Plus there's the open source aspect.  I like being able to see under the hood if I want to.

Yeah, I used to think Linux was only for the experts but then I had to use it for something specific so I dual booted.  It took about three weeks until I realized that I just wasn't using windows anymore.  Everything was easier in ubuntu.  So I ended up taking windows off completely and I haven't missed it once. 
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Please do not PM with technical questions or comments.  Keep Arduino stuff out on the boards where it belongs.

Qdeathstar

I use Linux a lot.... windows 10 hardly ever crashes, most printers automatically install on windows without needing to download a driver.... laymen don't care about open source.
A creaking creeping shadow
stiff against the freezing fog
glares at a tickless watch.

Time has failed him -- all things shall pass.

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