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#### PerryBebbington

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##### Nov 04, 2019, 09:12 amLast Edit: Nov 04, 2019, 06:13 pm by PerryBebbington
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That is not correct. In one house I had the mains was on a spur along our row of houses. One day the neutral developed a fault and got disconnected. The result was that we experienced twice the mains voltage in our houses.

This caused lights to fail and also electronic items like the Hi-Fi amplifier which was being used as a baby monitor at the time.

We got twice the voltage because the return was then coming from one of the other phases. If the neutral had been connected to the ground this would not have happened.
To be clear, I didn't mean just any fault, I meant something like live on contact with a water pipe for example. Your experience with loss of neutral is what I'd expect in the circumstances. Maximum possible voltage would be phase to phase, so on a nominally 230VAC system 230 * 3^0.5 = 398VAC (or in my house more like 250VAC * 3^0.5 = 433VAC)

In the UK the method of earthing generally used now is TNCS, which is what I was describing. It used to be common practice to take an earth FROM the incoming lead water pipe. Now incoming water pipes are plastic an earth is taken TO the water and gas plumbing from the electricity supply company's earth terminal. I have no doubt that not all properties are wired this way, especially if they have not been upgraded recently.

#### lastchancename

#16
##### Nov 05, 2019, 08:02 am
Reply #1 has a decent graphic, but it may be a bit complex for beginners.
I'll have a go when I return home and see about cleaning up this thread in general.

There's a bit of vague misleading and irrelevant chaff as it's grown...
Experienced responders have a nose for laziness, (they were beginners once)... Sure, there are trolls, chest-beaters, and pretenders - but the help you'll get here is about as good as it gets - if you try to help youself!.

#### Davidjames3321

#17
##### Nov 07, 2019, 07:47 pm
Thanks for this information. It is useful

#18
##### Nov 22, 2019, 06:56 pm
i got so confusion on this all...
can someone tell the usage of this all....GND .... etc

#### lastchancename

#19
##### Nov 23, 2019, 02:46 am
Start at the top of this thread....
Almost all of the comments are valid, unfortunately there are one or two where the contributor has been living under a rock.

It may help to look at the number of posts by the user - in a democracy, not always.
Experienced responders have a nose for laziness, (they were beginners once)... Sure, there are trolls, chest-beaters, and pretenders - but the help you'll get here is about as good as it gets - if you try to help youself!.

#### terryking228

#20
##### Dec 08, 2019, 02:04 am
Hi Everyone,

There is a general question of planning a project and it's electrical reality.

HERE is a overall approach..

And HERE is the "Wither Ground.. What IS Ground?" part, which you may find helpful.
Regards, Terry King terry@yourduino.com  - Check great prices, devices and Arduino-related boards at http://YourDuino.com
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#### lastchancename

#21
##### Jan 16, 2020, 10:07 pm
Thanks Terry, that's a

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