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#### ronx #30
##### Jul 15, 2012, 10:41 pm
Thank you for sharing your excellent circuit and code.  I made a PCB from your circuit image and used 2n2222 & 2N2907 transistors and 1% resistors. I didn't have a non-polar cap, so I soldered the anodes of two 100uF caps together.  As a test, I tried adding parallel diodes to the caps, but found they made no difference in my readings.   On a pair of used 2200uF 10V caps I got 0.0 Ohms on one that looks good, and 5.600 Ohms on one with a slight top bulge, so it finds bad caps.

The problem I am having is that I am unable to calibrate it.  Using a one Ohm resistor I had to set "double current = 0.007460;" to get the meter to read 1.012, but then a 1/3 Ohm resistor reads .090.  Could the transistors or DIY capacitor cause this?   I'm a beginner, so your post was highly educational and I got a new test tool as well!  Thanks again.

Ron

#### szmeu #31
##### Jul 17, 2012, 10:30 pmLast Edit: Feb 22, 2013, 07:48 pm by szmeu Reason: 1
@ronx
I think I made some mistakes in my sketch and assumed wrong how the original circuit worked when reverse engineered Lee Hung's schematic. I assumed it was a constant current circuit, which as I see it now it is not. The formula used in the sketch thus will not give correct results, funny thing is when I tried it by measuring different value resistors, readings were pretty sound. I currently don't have the possibility to test the following but if you have time please replace the formula and post back if this works better.

As I see it now in the circuit we have a voltage divider (see Wikipedia article on this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_divider) (from there we get the formula for calculating Z2 = (Vout*Z1)/(Vin-Vout))

replace this line
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`esrVal = (miliVolt)/current - esrCal;//calculate ESR in miliOhm`
with this
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`esrVal = (miliVolt*100)/(4.9-miliVolt);//calibration should be done by changing the value of 100 (This is the 1% reference resistor) and/or changing the 4.9 value which is the Vin and it is given by the the voltage regulator on the arduino board`

When I have a litle spare time I'll test it.

Greeatings

#### ronx #32
##### Jul 19, 2012, 04:36 pmLast Edit: Jul 20, 2012, 07:22 am by ronx Reason: 1
I did find the problem, and it was me...  I checked my circuit and for R8 (on the PCB) and found 1 Ohm rather than a 100.  I must have put my 1 Ohms and 100 Ohms in the same bag  last time I cleaned up ;-)   After the fix I calibrated using the original code until I got 1001 on a 1 Ohm resistor. The 1/3 Ohm reads 363, and a 10 Ohm reads 4450 (it's all I have to test with).  Am I correct in assuming this pretty accurate and the 10 Ohm is just too big?   I tried the voltage divider modification, but it gives negative numbers (-112 and -143).  Thanks again for the great code, and sorry for the confusion.  I think this is an extremely useful tool and have built both an arduino shield and a self-contained ardweeny powered meter housed in an old external hard drive case.

Regards,
Ron

#### szmeu #33
##### Jul 20, 2012, 11:20 amLast Edit: Feb 22, 2013, 07:52 pm by szmeu Reason: 1
@ron

- your assumption are right, with the 100 ohm branch max reading is around 6 ohm (R = U/I) = 0.300/0.05 = 6 ohm (0.300 is max voltage allowed by schottky diode 1N5822), if you need more range there is R4 branch with the 1k ohm 1% resistor (on D8), (you can implement this in the code and can have upper range that will give you the range of the 100 ohm resistor X 10, I think the same way a lower range could be implemented with a proper transistor that can source 500mA of current through resistor of 10 ohm 1%).
- you mentioned in your first post that did not use the diodes, I just want to explain now the role of the two groups of diodes, the first group of antiparalel 1N5822 diodes is to allow in circuit measurements, this diodes assure that we will get max 0.3 V on the probes and will not damage components on the board, the second group of diodes 1N4004 are there to protect the input of the Atmega from charged capacitors, good practice is to discharge caps before measurements.
- 65536 comes from 2^16(using oversampling in code we can have a mapped value between 0 and 65535), if we would take a simple measurement on a AIN pin we would get a 10 bit result which is 1024, but as we are enhancing our reading we get a 16 bit result that needs the proper scaling, thus dividing it by 65535, see http://arduino.cc/en/Reference/AnalogRead.

I wonder where I am wrong with the voltage divider formula, I currently don't have the hardware assembled and no possibility to test it, if you have spare time and in mood please try the following (would be nice to get better results from this simple hardware):
I think the problem comes from mixing Volts with mVolts in the formula I gave you, probably the reason for negative numbers too, display on your LCD the value of
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`miliVolt` and see the representation for a known resistor, say 1 ohm, this should be around 0.05 V or 50 mV:

if milivolt (not good)
esrVal = (miliVolt*100)/(4.9-miliVolt) = (50 * 100) / (4.9 - 50) = 5000 / -45.1 = -110

if volt
esrVal = (miliVolt*100)/(4.9-miliVolt) = (0.05 * 100) / (4.9 - 0.05) = 5 / 4.85 = 1.03 ohm

I have to say it's great to have someone to help testing and give feedback, otherwise it gets boring and can lose interest.

Thanks and glad if I could help #### ronx #34
##### Jul 22, 2012, 10:48 pm
That's it!
With "esrVal = (miliVolt * 100)/(4.9-(miliVolt/100)); "  I get 339 on the 1/3 Ohm resistor, 987 on the 1 Ohm and 6582 on the 10 Ohm.  My 10V-2200uF good-cap, bad-cap pair now read 21 and 3774 respectively.  Perfect!  I didn't mention the diodes in my first post as they are the same as you used. I just wanted to verify your PCB works, as do homemade non-polar caps and 2N2222 / 2N2907 transistors.

This is such a useful tool; and so cheap and easy to build.  I really hope others build this, make their own modifications, and post their results.  If the arduino has enough processing power it would be great to have an audible tone to check caps without looking at the LCD. When I have more time I hope to learn how your code works and make the circuit in Eagle Cad so I can experiment.  Thanks again for posting this great project and all your help.

#### alibenpeng #35
##### Oct 21, 2012, 05:04 pm
Hi,

I'd like to build this project but I don't seem to get the thing about the four wire connection to the DUT:

Why use four wires to connect a capacitor that has only two wires? Why not connect pin1 and pin2 of CN1 directly? I've seen other esr meters that use very short wires to connect to the DUT, is this something about wire capacities or something of this kind?

Also, in the original schematic by Le Hung there is an additional BS170 mosfet in the circuit, could anybody clear up what that is about?

I know how a esr-meter works in principle, but this really puzzles me.

Cheers,

Ali

#### szmeu #36
##### Oct 23, 2012, 09:05 pmLast Edit: Feb 22, 2013, 08:01 pm by szmeu Reason: 1
Hi there,
1. You can use 2 wires no problem, no need for the 4 wire setup to understand why initially proposed that setup read back as I explained in a previous post.
2. The schematic that uses BS170 is a newer one, version 4.0, the esr meter presented here is based on an older schematic version 3.0 from lee hung. I see the new version has a bunch of modifications compared to ver 3.0. I guess the adition of see it BS170 would be to discharge the cap.
If you build the esr meter with Arduino read the post on this thread as you will find answers and some important modifications to the code.

Restecp #### alibenpeng #37
##### Oct 31, 2012, 01:04 am
I've built the circuit on a breadboard and it works fine. But for production use I'm aiming at eliminating the whole arduino and building a board with a stand alone atmega 328.

The problem is, I can't really decide on how to build the power supply:

I understand that a clean supply voltage is crucial, so just hooking up a 4*AA-battery-pack is out of the question.

But do I have to power the circuit with 5V or will 3.3V also work (with some adjustments to the code, of course)? And if so, can I use a switching regulator instead of a linear one?
The Arduino as well as other ESR-meter-projects (including Le Hung's) use linear regulators, so maybe using a switching regulator might not be a good idea, because of the ripple it might introduce. Then again, maybe this issue could be addressed with a few caps..

Any input on this is appreciated!

Cheers,

Ali

#### bobale #38
##### Jan 19, 2013, 06:24 pm
Can anybody repost zip file from first post in this topic?

#### JoeO #39
Here it is

#### bobale #40
##### Jan 20, 2013, 03:58 am
I can't download any attachment from the forum, that's why I've asked for a repost . If you can host it somewhere online, I would be thankful.

#### markbee #41
##### Jan 20, 2013, 05:41 pm
I get a "Error 503 Service Unavailable" if I try to download the file from the forum...

#### Totoro #42
##### Jan 21, 2013, 09:37 pm
Hi all,
A few weeks ago I was looking for an ESR meter to build and ran across this thread. Thank you szmeu! I have built this up and it works very well.
I just wanted to share some observations. First, the hardware is a great circuit, simple and effective. Thanks again. And the circuit is very tolerant of the non-polarized capacitor value (47microFarad in the original). I used a 10micro I had and it works fine.
Second, you are correct that the pulse is not from a current source and what you want is to calculate as a voltage divider. (BTW, the original code will get you close enough to serve the purpose, especially at low values of ESR.)
Let's say that Vin is your source voltage (near 5V here), Vout is the value between the two resistors (you measure that at AIN0), Rs is the upper resistance (the 100 Ohm resister) and the lower resistance, the ESR, we'll call Rm. The formula is given as follows.
Rm = Rs / ((Vin/Vout) - 1)
It is important to not mix units, so here is an example. Say your AIN0 measurement, 'milliVolts' variable in the code, is 20. So, Vout is 20mV. Using the value of 5V for the source voltage, Vin, we need to express that in millVolts because that's the unit we're using for Vout. So, Vin is 5000mV. Rs is 100 Ohms so the result will be in Ohms.
Rm (in Ohms) = 100 / ((5000/20)-1) = 100 / 249  = 0.402 Ohms
To get milliOhms, multiply times 1000 or 402 milliOhms!

Here is my re-write of the ESR calc routine. This combines the oversample routine with some things were outside in the original code. A couple of lines are re-ordered. The big calculation difference is at the end.

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`// ESR calculation routine// discharge, start a current pulse, measure the voltage at the ESR_PIN, stop the pulse// repeat 4096 times and average the results ('oversampling and decimation')// refer to Atmel Application Note AVR121: 'Enhancing ADC resolution by oversampling'// http://www.atmel.com/images/doc8003.pdfdouble calcESR(){  unsigned long accumulator = 0;  unsigned int sample = 0;  int i = 0;  // oversampling 4096 times (for 16 bit is 4^(desiredResolution - ADCresolution))  while ( i++ < 4096 )  {    digitalWrite( DISCHARGE_PIN, HIGH ); // discharge the capacitors    delayMicroseconds( 600 ); // discharge wait time    digitalWrite( DISCHARGE_PIN, LOW ); // disable discharging    cli(); // disable interrupts for the pulse measure    digitalWrite( PulsePin, PulseActive ); // start current pulse    delayMicroseconds( 1 );    // on the scope it appears that after enabling the pulse    // a small delay is needed for oscillations to fade away    sample = analogRead( ESR_PIN ); // read ADC value    sei(); // measured, enable interrupts    digitalWrite( PulsePin, ! PulseActive ); // stop current pulse    accumulator += sample; // accumulate  }  // sampling is done  esrSamples = accumulator >> 6; // decimate the accumulated result  // calculate voltage on AIN0 pin...  milliVolts = (esrSamples * vRef) / 65.536;  // calculate ESR in milliOhms...  double Rm = Rs / ((Vin / milliVolts) - 1); // Rm is in Ohms  return Rm * 1000; // milliOhms}`

This now consistently measures my 0.1 Ohm and 1 Ohm precision resistors within about 2%. And a 4.7 Ohm resistor reads 4.68. Super!

BTW, I used all those extra pins on the Arduino to drive a 3-digit, 7-segment display. (That's why the code above has interrupt disable/enable calls to protect the pulse measure from the display multiplex interrupts.)

- Totoro

#### JoeO #43
##### Jan 23, 2013, 10:34 pm
Totoro:

Would you make your schematic and code available for others to use.  I would like to make a self contained ESR meter that does not need a voltmeter.

Thanks

#### Totoro #44
##### Jan 24, 2013, 12:13 am
I am happy to post my code. You can download it from here.