# 20 LED parallel 3V **URL:** \ **Category:** General Electronics\ **Created:** [December 4, 2023, 9:19am UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/20-led-parallel-3v/1196517 "2023-12-04T09:19:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![jim-p](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/jim-p/32/922840_2.png) [@jim-p](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/jim-p)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 2:23pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/20-led-parallel-3v/1196517/21 "2023-12-04T14:23:02Z")
> [@wvmarle](#): > > This resistor is missing from the schematic in #8. Not needed! > By the way, 2xAA is not enough for running an LED string. I have a string of 20 sitting right here on my desk running off of 2AAs ---
**Author:** ![wvmarle](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/wvmarle/32/1013044_2.png) [@wvmarle](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/wvmarle)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 3:07pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/20-led-parallel-3v/1196517/22 "2023-12-04T15:07:40Z")
> [@jim-p](#): > > > [@wvmarle](#): > > > > This resistor is missing from the schematic in #8. > > Not needed! ALL LEDs need some form of current limiting. Some strings may have this built in already, then it's not needed. If OP is using bare LEDs (they did not specify their string!) they definitely have to add those resistors. > [@](#): > > > By the way, 2xAA is not enough for running an LED string. > > I have a string of 20 sitting right here on my desk running off of 2AAs Won't be very bright... or when your battery is halfway empty they stop working... unless of course it's traditional LEDs in colours like red, yellow and green, in which case the forward voltage is much lower and indeed they will do fine on 2xAA. As long as there's some form of current limiting in place as otherwise they will burn. I know in some cases, especially cheap Chinese made strips, they don't put a resistor in - they skimped enough on the wire thickness to have enough resistance there... Poor engineering but for cheap consumer products that have to last a few weeks (one Christmas season) it'll do just fine. ---
**Author:** ![gilshultz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/67e7ee/32.png) [@gilshultz](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/gilshultz)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 4:09pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/20-led-parallel-3v/1196517/23 "2023-12-04T16:09:57Z")
What limits the LED current, a MOSFET would cause it to draw more current. Also at these voltages come colors may not work. Check the Vf of the LEDs. ---
**Author:** ![jim-p](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/jim-p/32/922840_2.png) [@jim-p](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/jim-p)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 4:18pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/20-led-parallel-3v/1196517/24 "2023-12-04T16:18:16Z")
> [@wvmarle](#): > > Won't be very bright.. Very bright white LEDs > or when your battery is halfway empty they stop working. No they don't ---
**Author:** ![jim-p](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/jim-p/32/922840_2.png) [@jim-p](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/jim-p)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 4:22pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/20-led-parallel-3v/1196517/25 "2023-12-04T16:22:43Z")
> [@gilshultz](#): > > What limits the LED current, A built in resistor > a MOSFET would cause it to draw more current How can a MOSFET cause the current to increase? It makes no sense ---
**Author:** ![gilshultz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/67e7ee/32.png) [@gilshultz](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/gilshultz)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 4:31pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/20-led-parallel-3v/1196517/26 "2023-12-04T16:31:46Z")
You no longer have the Vce voltage drop so you will get about 0.7V more to the LEDs. At 3V that is about a 25% increase in voltage. ---
**Author:** ![jim-p](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/jim-p/32/922840_2.png) [@jim-p](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/jim-p)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 4:38pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/20-led-parallel-3v/1196517/27 "2023-12-04T16:38:06Z")
Typical Vce (sat) for a BC547C at 10mA Ic is only 0.09V. Where did you get 0.7V? You are also assuming a MOSFETs have a zero Rds (on) ---
**Author:** ![EmilyJane](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/emilyjane/32/821537_2.png) [@EmilyJane](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/EmilyJane)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 5:07pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/20-led-parallel-3v/1196517/28 "2023-12-04T17:07:33Z")
> [@jim-p](#): > > Typical Vce (sat) for a BC547C at 10mA Ic is only 0.09V. Is it really 10 mA for 20 LEDS though? if that's the case, you can drive them from an Arduino GPIO. ---
**Author:** ![jim-p](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/jim-p/32/922840_2.png) [@jim-p](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/jim-p)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 5:19pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/20-led-parallel-3v/1196517/29 "2023-12-04T17:19:26Z")
> [@EmilyJane](#): > > is it really 10 mA for 20 LEDS though? I can't see how ---
**Author:** ![EmilyJane](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/emilyjane/32/821537_2.png) [@EmilyJane](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/EmilyJane)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 8:04pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/20-led-parallel-3v/1196517/30 "2023-12-04T20:04:14Z")
So Vce (sat) is irrelevant at 10 mA. It probably has a max value of more like 0.6V at a more likely 100 mA. ---
**Author:** ![jim-p](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/jim-p/32/922840_2.png) [@jim-p](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/jim-p)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 8:29pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/20-led-parallel-3v/1196517/31 "2023-12-04T20:29:55Z")
> [@EmilyJane](#): > > So Vce (sat) is irrelevant at 10 mA. You are arguing a moot point. ---
**Author:** ![wvmarle](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/wvmarle/32/1013044_2.png) [@wvmarle](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/wvmarle)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 8:52pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/20-led-parallel-3v/1196517/32 "2023-12-04T20:52:44Z")
> [@jim-p](#): > > > [@EmilyJane](#): > > > > is it really 10 mA for 20 LEDS though? > > I can't see how 0.5 mA is plenty for modern LEDs to shine quite brightly, so that's 20\*0.5 mA = 10 mA for the set. That's a little less than what my decorative LED strings get, 100 LEDs running at ~70 mA. So it's very plausible. ---
**Author:** ![EmilyJane](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/emilyjane/32/821537_2.png) [@EmilyJane](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/EmilyJane)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 9:03pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/20-led-parallel-3v/1196517/33 "2023-12-04T21:03:52Z")
Okay, that's the kind of information that is useful in a discussion. We don't know what sort of current OP's LEDs consume, whether or not there is a built-in current limit resistor or what color(s) they are. If OP's string really does draw only 10 mA then they can probably power them from a GPIO. ---
**Author:** ![EmilyJane](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/emilyjane/32/821537_2.png) [@EmilyJane](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/EmilyJane)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 10:25pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/20-led-parallel-3v/1196517/34 "2023-12-04T22:25:37Z")
@scary3dcat Try powering them from an output pin through a 330R resistor. ---
**Author:** ![noobmastha](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/noobmastha/32/738653_2.png) [@noobmastha](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/noobmastha)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 11:39pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/20-led-parallel-3v/1196517/35 "2023-12-04T23:39:46Z")
> [@jim-p](#): > > A built in resistor built in where? ---
**Author:** ![gilshultz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/67e7ee/32.png) [@gilshultz](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/gilshultz)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 9:04pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/20-led-parallel-3v/1196517/36 "2023-12-06T21:04:37Z")
At one time they manufactured LEDs that did not need a resistor. They would place a pinch FET (fabricated on the LED die) to act as a constant current device allowing the LED to be connected to a wide range of voltages. There were hybrid versions. Generally this was called a built in resistor. Check this link, the ecnohomics will come into play in choosing: [https://lighthouseleds.com/led-component-lighting/12v-led-with-built-in-resistor/12v-5mm-led-with-built-in-resistor-round-top-1.html](https://lighthouseleds.com/led-component-lighting/12v-led-with-built-in-resistor/12v-5mm-led-with-built-in-resistor-round-top-1.html) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/system/32/1140315_2.png) [@system](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 9:05pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/20-led-parallel-3v/1196517/37 "2024-06-03T21:05:27Z")
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