Thx, but still cant find a code that works "gutted" in the mean time I found a build your own two wheeled obstacle avoiding bot with a code that works, it is a two motor job using a single servo and a sharp sensor, it works fine doing its avoiding thing, but works via a breadboard opposed to a motor controller which is fine but it does look a bit on the rough side compared to the dead 4x4 platform sitting next to it, maybe I am just not looking in the right places, thx anyway guys :~