Arduino as ISP, error programming specific board, thoughts?

kanurys · December 18, 2013, 12:01am

Hi folks,

I have an Arduino Uno R3 SMD edition that I'm trying to program with another Arduino Uno. I can successfully program another Arduino Uno SMD with this setup as well as stand-alone atmega238p's, so I know my process is good and the programmer Uno is good. Here's my process:

Upload ArduinoISP sketch to the programmer Uno and hookup proper wires to the target board
Compile arduino blink sketch and get hex file to easy access location
in Windows 7 command prompt in same folder as Blink.hex run:
avrdude -P COM5 -b 19200 -c avrisp -p m328p -v -e -U flash:w:Blink.hex

When I plug in this specific target board directly to USB to program it, it is not recognized and doesn't even pop up as a COM port. When I hook it up to the programmer-arduino and run step (3) I get:

System wide configuration file is "C:\Program Files\WinAVR-20100110
\bin\avrdude.conf"

Using Port : COM5
Using Programmer : avrisp
Overriding Baud Rate : 19200
AVR Part : ATMEGA328P
Chip Erase delay : 9000 us
PAGEL : PD7
BS2 : PC2
RESET disposition : dedicated
RETRY pulse : SCK
serial program mode : yes
parallel program mode : yes
Timeout : 200
StabDelay : 100
CmdexeDelay : 25
SyncLoops : 32
ByteDelay : 0
PollIndex : 3
PollValue : 0x53
Memory Detail :

Block Poll Page
Polled
Memory Type Mode Delay Size Indx Paged Size Size #Pages MinW
MaxW ReadBack

eeprom 65 5 4 0 no 1024 4 0 3600
3600 0xff 0xff
flash 65 6 128 0 yes 32768 128 256 4500
4500 0xff 0xff
lfuse 0 0 0 0 no 1 0 0 4500
4500 0x00 0x00
hfuse 0 0 0 0 no 1 0 0 4500
4500 0x00 0x00
efuse 0 0 0 0 no 1 0 0 4500
4500 0x00 0x00
lock 0 0 0 0 no 1 0 0 4500
4500 0x00 0x00
calibration 0 0 0 0 no 1 0 0 0
0 0x00 0x00
signature 0 0 0 0 no 3 0 0 0
0 0x00 0x00

Programmer Type : STK500
Description : Atmel AVR ISP
Hardware Version: 2
Firmware Version: 1.18
Topcard : Unknown
Vtarget : 0.0 V
Varef : 0.0 V
Oscillator : Off
SCK period : 0.1 us

avrdude.exe: AVR device initialized and ready to accept instructions

Reading | ################################################## | 100% 0.07s

avrdude.exe: Device signature = 0xffffff
avrdude.exe: Yikes! Invalid device signature.
Double check connections and try again, or use -F to override
this check.

avrdude.exe done. Thank you.

Most notably the last few lines stating " ...Yikes! Invalid device signature..." This same target board does not show up on USB in windows (stated before), as other boards do. This board may have had an over-voltage input on the 5v pin to the tune of 12v, sometime in it's life.

What do you think causes this error message? Could it be a fried atmega328 SMD chip or the USB to serial controller? By not getting success when the atmega328 is programmed directly makes me believe it may be friend and replaceable. Other voltage readings from the regulators and other parts compare positively to my working boards. Thoughts?

mrburnette · December 18, 2013, 1:18am

By not getting success when the atmega328 is programmed directly makes me believe it may be friend and replaceable.

If you have a solderless breadboard, please try and program it that way. If it programs, the issue is the UNO board. If it does not, it is definitely the uC (state of board is an unknown until you get a new chip - or swap uC).

Ray

kanurys · December 18, 2013, 2:24am

Ray,

Thanks for the suggestion. I would have already tried that if this were not an SMD version of the Uno, as stated. If anyone has any suggestions on how to isolate the chip from the Uno and program it, I could test for that.

sk

Coding_Badly · December 18, 2013, 2:28am

How did you disable auto-reset on the Uno-acting-as-a-programmer?

kanurys · December 18, 2013, 2:50am

I've never had to do that on the Uno's that I've programmed with. If they have the ArduinoISP sketch loaded and I specify the programmer (-p in the command line) it has never been an issue.

To be clear, this programmer programs other atmega's just fine so I don't think it's a DTR issue, unless it's with the target board. I've never seen the "invalid device signature" error before, so I'm not sure what that means. It definitely comes before any DTR signal is sent.

kanurys · December 18, 2013, 3:30am

should I try the command line with -F? This makes me a little nervous.

Coding_Badly · December 18, 2013, 3:54am

kanurys:
I've never had to do that on the Uno's that I've programmed with.

This is the time to try it. 10uF (or higher) capacitor between RESET and GND after uploading the Arduino ISP sketch.

kanurys · December 18, 2013, 3:58am

Am I correct in thinking this 10uF cap should go between the DTR line going to the target board and ground?

kanurys · December 18, 2013, 4:06am

Here is my attempt with the -F flag. I also tried to reburn the bootloader with similar results. I figured out that the board doesn't even reset when I hit the manual reset button, so I'm thinking the atmega328p is toast. With the capacitor between the reset line and ground or not on it I get the following output from avrdude:

command line entered:
avrdude -F -P COM5 -b 19200 -c avrisp -p m328p -v -e -U
flash:w:Blink.hex

output from avrdude:

System wide configuration file is "C:\Program Files\WinAVR-20100110\bin
\avrdude.conf"

Using Port : COM5
Using Programmer : avrisp
Overriding Baud Rate : 19200
AVR Part : ATMEGA328P
Chip Erase delay : 9000 us
PAGEL : PD7
BS2 : PC2
RESET disposition : dedicated
RETRY pulse : SCK
serial program mode : yes
parallel program mode : yes
Timeout : 200
StabDelay : 100
CmdexeDelay : 25
SyncLoops : 32
ByteDelay : 0
PollIndex : 3
PollValue : 0x53
Memory Detail :

Block Poll Page
Polled
Memory Type Mode Delay Size Indx Paged Size Size #Pages MinW Max
W ReadBack

eeprom 65 5 4 0 no 1024 4 0 3600 36
00 0xff 0xff
flash 65 6 128 0 yes 32768 128 256 4500 45
00 0xff 0xff
lfuse 0 0 0 0 no 1 0 0 4500 45
00 0x00 0x00
hfuse 0 0 0 0 no 1 0 0 4500 45
00 0x00 0x00
efuse 0 0 0 0 no 1 0 0 4500 45
00 0x00 0x00
lock 0 0 0 0 no 1 0 0 4500 45
00 0x00 0x00
calibration 0 0 0 0 no 1 0 0 0
0 0x00 0x00
signature 0 0 0 0 no 3 0 0 0
0 0x00 0x00

Programmer Type : STK500
Description : Atmel AVR ISP
Hardware Version: 2
Firmware Version: 1.18
Topcard : Unknown
Vtarget : 0.0 V
Varef : 0.0 V
Oscillator : Off
SCK period : 0.1 us

avrdude: AVR device initialized and ready to accept instructions

Reading | ################################################## | 100% 0.07s

avrdude: Device signature = 0x000000
avrdude: Yikes! Invalid device signature.
avrdude: Expected signature for ATMEGA328P is 1E 95 0F
avrdude: safemode: lfuse reads as 0
avrdude: safemode: hfuse reads as 0
avrdude: safemode: efuse reads as 0
avrdude: erasing chip
avrdude: reading input file "Blink.hex"
avrdude: input file Blink.hex auto detected as Intel Hex
avrdude: writing flash (1084 bytes):

Writing | ################################################## | 100% 1.35s

avrdude: 1084 bytes of flash written
avrdude: verifying flash memory against Blink.hex:
avrdude: load data flash data from input file Blink.hex:
avrdude: input file Blink.hex auto detected as Intel Hex
avrdude: input file Blink.hex contains 1084 bytes
avrdude: reading on-chip flash data:

Reading | ################################################## | 100% 0.99s

avrdude: verifying ...
avrdude: verification error, first mismatch at byte 0x0000
0x0c != 0x00
avrdude: verification error; content mismatch

avrdude: safemode: lfuse reads as 0
avrdude: safemode: hfuse reads as 0
avrdude: safemode: efuse reads as 0
avrdude: safemode: Fuses OK

avrdude done. Thank you.

Coding_Badly · December 18, 2013, 4:27am

kanurys:
Am I correct in thinking this 10uF cap should go between the DTR line going to the target board and ground?

Between RESET and GND on the programmer after uploading the Arduino ISP sketch.

kanurys · December 18, 2013, 4:29am

Ok. I tried it in that config without good results.

Coding_Badly · December 18, 2013, 5:56am

It's toast.

kanurys · December 18, 2013, 5:57am

yep - with jam and butter.

kanurys · December 18, 2013, 11:06pm

Also, I just did the loop-back test described here: http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php/topic,73748.0.html

It responds, so I guess the usb chip is good. I'm going to look for an atmega328p-mu. Does anybody know of a good cheap resource for these?

mrburnette · December 20, 2013, 1:20am

I guess the usb chip is good. I'm going to look for an atmega328p-mu. Does anybody know of a good cheap resource for these?

DigiKey has them for approx $3 but then there is S/H.
Or,
Order an entire Pro Mini for $3.69 if you have hot-air rework station (or toaster oven!)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Arduino-PRO-MINI-ATMEGA328-5V-16M-MWC-avr328P-Development-Board-/111161265052

FYI: the Pro Mini is a fantastic LCD driver for projects: just attach to rear of parallel LCD with Velcro dots. LCD $3 + ProMini $3.69= Arduino+LCD < $7

Ray

kanurys · December 20, 2013, 6:10pm

I like that idea^^

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