hi there is it possible to power an ac coil of a relay from an arduino ? if so how and what with?
Yes, with a transistor (or darlington transistor) or a mosfet.
Transistor: you need a resistor to the base of the transistor (value has to be calculated), and a flyback diode over the load. Mosfet: you need 1k to the gate, and a flyback diode over the load.
ok what sort of transistor would you recommend?
Relay with an AC coil? Do you have a part number?
In general terms,NO you cannot power an AC relay from a DC supply. Basically the DC coil resistance of an AC relay is only a fraction of that of a DC unit of equivalent size. It will therefore draw excessive current and probably end up either damaging your power supply or burn itself out. When used on an AC supply the coil is inductive and it is its inductive reactance (Xl) which limits the coil current. One other factor to be considered is that DC relay armatures (the magnetic core) often have a little non-magnetic buffer (copper or plastic) for the moving blade to contact onto. This prevents any residual magnetism from holding the relay closed when the power is disconnected. AC relays do not need this facility since residual magnetism is minimal - it being eliminated each half cycle of the AC waveform.
lol no no no a AC relay being powerred by a AC supply this is the sort of relay i was thinking of : http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/non-latching-relays/0376830/
You can use an Arduino to control a SSR w/ no other components involved. Must your relay be mechanical?
For a 24V AC relay at DC, you might want to start with 12V. If you use the AC relay with the same DC voltage, the coil could get too hot.
That relay comes in both AC coil versions and DC coil versions. See the last page of the data sheet. http://docs-europe.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/0027/0900766b800270d6.pdf
The specific part you linked to has a 24VDC coil: Coil Voltage 24V So you'd need a 24VDC source, and Arduino controlling a transistor to sink current thru the coil to control the contacts.
i think i havent explained myself correctly i want to power an ac coil or a relay using ac controlled from an arduino the link was for a 24V ac coil would prefer to have a mechanical type
If you are adamant that you want to operate an AC relay then what you need is a DC "interposing" relay. Your arduino drives (via a transistor) a DC relay. A set of contacts from the DC relay are used to control your AC relay. Messy ? yes, but that's how you operate an AC coil from a DC system. There is no way you can use an arduino directly to drive an AC device. But no doubt others may come up with alternatives.
ok so us a PCB SSR to power a AC relay
Arduino drives this directly via a 220ohm resistor and this then switches your AC relay. The device output current is a maximum of 100mA but this is more than enough for your titchy little AC relay http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/73794.pdf Be aware that you have low voltage DC on one pair of terminals and your AC drive voltage on the other
The device output current is a maximum of 100mA but this is more than enough for your titchy little AC relay
Not much more, as it takes 75mA so it s close to being not high current enough.
From data sheet, coil resistance is specified as 320 ohms. At 24volts DC this would indeed be 75mA load. However further down the data table the AC excitation requirement is 1.2 VA which equates to a coil current of 50mA. So a 100mA rated device should be adequately capable.