Censorship in the Name of Safety

Community General Discussion
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Should people say what they are doing or would you prefer that they lie?
Would you prefer that they say their application is something innocuous, couched in subterfuge (i.e. it's about. . . a water pump or it's for a coffee machine)?
Because when topics are Locked and Replies are Deleted that is exactly what the consequences are. There is no other legitimate Inference.
If I don't agree with the objectives I simply disengage or don't involve myself (e.g. anything to do with marihuana).
Why not, if you Disagree with thus or sundry, state your disagreement if you must, and then go on with your life?

Enough with the Safety Police already.

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that's ad hominem and targeting our mods... Words have a meaning and an history attached.
I hope they remove that post and to state my mind, I flagged it as offensive.inappropriate.

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More Censorship.
You can actually post and advocate for people to die here, that's ok, but you can't say "Gestapo'.
Nice.

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Happy for this to remain.

I don't think we are above challenge.

Just keep it polite please.

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Not on my watch. If you see someone doing that, please flag it and the moderators will take the appropriate action.

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What was it, another attack drone project?
"I just need it to trigger a relay when it's within certain GPS coordinates, and by the way it has to be very lightweight and run from batteries..."

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Give me a break.
How about 'Safety Red Guard' or 'Safety Stasi'?

A chap here advocated, adamantly, that people who did not get a worthless covid inoculation but turned up at the hospital should be turned away and die as they were unworthy of attention. He buttressed his case with grisly, shocking photos. It was truly disgusting.

Anyway, side-trackers,
Open Discussion, yes; Suppression of ideas, no.
Challenge, disapprove or walk by - I'm not doing anybody's thinking for them.

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Oh, a highly contentious opinion that has nothing to do with Arduino. I see.

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No, some fellow wanted to push the boiler reset remotely.
The Grannies needed the discussion Suppressed (too dangerous to talk about).
So Bebbington Deleted my Reply.

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@PerryBebbington

Do you mind if I Copy & Paste our message thread?

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You about you leave out the unproductive insults and focus instead on civil discussion about the interesting and valuable subject matter you raised?

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Be my guest but only on condition that you post it in full and make clear who said what.

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Some topics always just reliably start flame wars. Lots of forums ban them outright.

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If this becomes a flame war I will delete the offending bits. Keep it polite.

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Modération exists for a reason and free speech does not mean you can use someone else media to express your opinion.

Also Rules and laws and culture are different around the world and what is OK for you might be shocking elsewhere.

This is a worldwide forum and the law of the land is that mods can decide what stays and what does not.

If You don’t like it - you can run your own web site and forum and post your opinion and welcome whatever code support request you want.

That’s my view.

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Link ?

Hopefully it has been removed

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Bebbington's Topic Locked Note)
Concern has been raised about the dangers of this project so I have locked it. I am not deleting it as I want it to remain along with the warnings various members have posted. I've also removed a suggestion on how to do it. Thanks

r_p)
High-handed censorship and caving in to worry-wart old ladies without a life is all you've done. The Worst.
Think About It: If a button can be pushed by a person then how blasted "dangerous" can the thing Really Be?

Bebbington)
Lots of people read this forum, some with no clue of the dangers of what they are doing. You clearly do know, many do not. 2 people flagged the topic and I agree with them. The replies show the concern people have about what was asked.

This is not social media, I am not censoring an opinion about a contentious political figure I am raising a serious safety concern.

r_p)
To Hades with their irrational "concerns".
And you cut-off discussion of ideas, thinking; truly bad form.
Again - there is a button to be pushed presumably by a person. How is it less "dangerous" with a person right next to it than it is remotely?

Bebbington)
A person in front of the boiler detect possible signs of danger, for example by smelling leaking gas, a person who is remote cannot.

It is quite clear the guy knows nothing about gas or boiler safety, and even if I am wrong about that and he's an expert, the next person reading the topic might not.

This forum is to help people with little or no knowledge of electronics or programming, so it's reasonable to look out for them when they attempt something dangerous.

r_p)
What you're saying is that people should be less than honest about what they're up to; describe it as something innocuous, "water pump" instead of "boiler", then it's different - couch everything, subterfuge is the way.

(There are electric boilers, too.)

Bebbington)

That isn't what I am saying it is your inference from what I am saying. I am saying exactly what I said.

I appreciate your feedback but I am not persuaded that I made a bad decision.

I suggest that you have 3 options:

*Accept that we don't agree and let it drop.
*Flag my decision to the moderators, mark your flag as something else and ask for a review. If I see the flag I will add a comment to the effect that I am happy for another moderator to review my decision.
*Start a discussion in the General Discussion section of the forum about the general principles of moderating topics seen to present danger to the OP and others (I leave the exact topic details to you)

Thank you

PB edit:
You missed the last bit:

r_p)
B & C.
Locking the topic is your call, but Deleting my Reply stinks.

r_p Edit:
It's not in my thread of course.

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I missed the thread and I'm not about to go looking for it. I abhor censorship. It sounds like it was a Covid debate. The huge negative impact that it has had on everyone raises the temperature of any debate on the subject, and the common political views that have become entwined with it, make it even more contentious. Because, then there is a meta argument working in tandem with it.

I certainly don't agree with the opinion that was cited, but I can understand the roots of it. For many people, it is intensely distressing that someone believes they have the right to deny scientific evidence and public health advice (which is fine), but to then trample the rights of other people who accept the evidence and advice, and do not wish to accept the same risks.

Edit - oh, it looks like no. Hmmm, a boiler debate? Or was it a marijiuana or attack drone issue? I've lost track now.

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No, you missed Post No. 9

It's about this
New user - what should I purchase to enable a button push (piston) on light sensor triggered? - Using Arduino / Project Guidance - Arduino Forum

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Sure. Then there was the guy that wanted to put high current, high voltage coils around all his limbs. We helped him too.