Cheap and good way to feed 12v digital input

I finally decided to use the 7805 SOT89 package, as I am working on SMD board and the space is a real issue.

I don't think a voltage regulator is the right application, as DVDdoug already told you. It's a shame that you didn't listen. Voltage regulators are designed to POWER something. They are never used to regulate the voltage on a data line. Good luck making that work.

Any SOT23 MOSFET could also have been used.

Use the 12-16V to drive an optoisolator, on the output side pull the open collector low on an arduino input with pullup resistor enabled.

CrossRoads:
Use the 12-16V to drive an optoisolator, on the output side pull the open collector low on an arduino input with pullup resistor enabled.

… which will reverse the logic, but you can take care of that in code. If that’s an issue, use an external pulldown to keep the logic the same way round.

A 4.5v ish zener diode and a zener should do the job...

Take a look at v-usb which uses a zener to knock the data lines down to 3v from 5v, the same can be applied here a couple (guessing 200 to 500) resistors.

How’s this?

Joy: I finally decided to use the 7805 SOT89 package, as I am working on SMD board and the space is a real issue.

Then you have made the wrong decision and made yourself look foolish.

As per CrossRoad's suggestion (several variations):

Voltage swing at Arduino input: 0 to 4.9V (see Fig. 6 here).

Xpendable: I don't think a voltage regulator is the right application, as DVDdoug already told you. It's a shame that you didn't listen. Voltage regulators are designed to POWER something. They are never used to regulate the voltage on a data line. Good luck making that work.

Actually I am not using it to trigger any arduino pin.. I am using a 8 PIN PIC with a very tiny PCB.. Space is a real issue. So if I am using a SOT-89 7805 I do not require any other component.

I definitely agree that using an Optoisolator is the best option, but it requires many other components too and will occupy lil larger space than what the SOT-89 7805 will occupy.

Actually I am not using it to trigger any arduino pin..

So what are you using it for?

Cheap, good and small:
SOT-89 (7805): 1.6mm x 4.6mm, area 7.36mm2,
SOT-416 (DTC114W): 1.7mm x 0.9mm, area 1.53mm2, $0.20 each
I/O Connections: VIN 0-30V, OUT (inverted) connected to PIC input with Pull-up enabled.

Grumpy_Mike:

Actually I am not using it to trigger any arduino pin..

So what are you using it for?

I have mentioned it on my previous post. I am actually using it to trigger a SMD 8 Pin PIC Microcontoller..

The main target is to make the PCB as tiny as possible and making it cheap retaining the quality, as it will be mass produced..

dlloyd:
Cheap, good and small:
SOT-89 (7805): 1.6mm x 4.6mm, area 7.36mm2,
SOT-416 (DTC114W): 1.7mm x 0.9mm, area 1.53mm2, $0.20 each
I/O Connections: VIN 0-30V, OUT (inverted) connected to PIC input with Pull-up enabled.

I am unable to make out how will it work…
I went through the datasheet too, bu cant make out…It would be kind of you, if you can elaborate please…

Hint: The 7805 has 3 terminals (INPUT, OUTPUT, GND). The DTC114W has 3 terminals (IN, OUT, GND).

I am actually using it to trigger a SMD 8 Pin PIC Microcontoller..

What does that mean? By trigger do you mean turn on, like applying power controlled by something else?

That sounds like an even worse idea.

It's actually quite novel. He connects the GND to ground, obviously, the OUT to the input pin on his Arduino, and the IN of the regulator to his switch or whatever his 12V signal is. The 7805's output will be 5V with anything from about 7V to 30V on its input.

Not how the manufacturer envisioned its use, but should work just fine.

Not how the manufacturer envisioned its use, but should work just fine.

Hmm…no capacitors.

Here’s what the Society of Robots has to say about that.

dlloyd: Here's what the Society of Robots has to say about that.

Bit misleading: It's no more the Society of Robots saying anything than Messrs Arduino saying anything in this public forum, is it? (However correct the individual member's views may be....)

That said, not one of the many schematics in the 7805 datasheet lacks caps.

The caps would be very bad for serial communication... the 7805 will work up to a certain frequency but then it simply can't switch between 0 and 5v fast enough killing the serial data...

Change the 2 zener resistors for 10k to keep the current down.