Anyone here done it ?
Boards i mentioned previously will probably need testing for eu and us markets.
Can anyone give me some idea of the costs please.
Google it - am pretty sure the prices will astound you.
Unlikley, had one done 15 yrs or so back, about 3 k istr.
Just wondered if anyone had more recent experience, google not much help so far.
Further to that , my gadget uses an rfid tag reader, any problems using these in the states ?
Im pretty sure they are not tested.
We use rfid tag readers here. Used in libraries even to scan a pile of books at self checkout desk.
Boardburner2:
Further to that , my gadget uses an rfid tag reader, any problems using these in the states ?
Im pretty sure they are not tested.
An RFID reader is an intentional emitter and so must have FCC testing. There are two stages to this. First you need it testing in an FCC approved test house, that will cost about £1000, then there is the FCC filing, you need an FCC approval number that is about another £1000 and then that reader again at about the same price.
Last times did this was 2009.
I was wondering about the addafruit / chinese ones.
Was hoping they were certified but apparently not.
No problem for hobby use but if i want to sell a complete unit, as an intentional radiator it would incur the full test cost it appears.
Thanks mike , thats pretty much what i expected.
Some numbers i have seen indicate 10 to 15 k usd.
Then there is the certification for europe.
Then there is the certification for europe.
Much easier. Do the EU testing at the same time as the FCC as they are very similar, get two reports from the test house, will only put another £500 on top, and after that you just self certify.
Have you done this ?
Is it cheaper to use a us or eu test house that can do both ?
Yes I always did this.
FCC test houses are a bit more expensive but they can do both at the same time. They will ask you if you want to do this. It is much cheaper than doing them sepratly.
It is the FCC paper work that takes the time it could be up to six months and if you are not in the US you will need a filing agent.
As I said EU is just self certifying so you do the leg work with the test house backing up your claim.
Thanks mike , do you accept pm,s.?
It is best to keep all technical discussions open that way others get to comment and also people can see the results and it might help them.
Ok, i would have to get permission for that though.
Does anyone have links to hand please that outline penalties etc for contravention in uk and us please ?
Scarier the better.
Ok mike iv sent you a pm anyway , im probably going to need assistance, so its more commercial then technical.
I know of engineering firms who charge an arm and a leg to consult on this kind of thing. I'm not sure how much help you can expect from the arduino forums, as it is definitely leaving the DIY space and going into commercial business.
Off hand question, if you use an open source design in your system than has been certified by the FCC (but not by your company), does the certification carry over? I assume not, since that would make less money, though I guess it depends on the licensing arrangement.
Boardburner2:
Does anyone have links to hand please that outline penalties etc for contravention in uk and us please ? Scarier the better.
What happens if one sells or uses noncompliant low-power transmitters?
Bad idea. The FCC rules are designed to control the marketing of low-power transmitters and, to a lesser extent, their use. The act of selling or leasing, offering to sell or lease, or importing a low-power transmitter that has not gone through the appropriate FCC equipment authorization procedure is a violation of the Commission’s rules and federal law. Violators may be subject to an enforcement action by the Commission’s Field Operations Bureau that could result in:Forfeiture of all non-compliant equipment.
A $100,000/$200,000 criminal penalty for an individual or organization.
A criminal fine totaling twice the gross gain obtained from sales of the non-compliant equipment.
An administrative fine totaling $10,000/day per violation, up to a maximum of $75,000.
The article appears to be a detailed complete description of the FCC approval process.
This may also be worth a look...
https://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/398
mirith:
I know of engineering firms who charge an arm and a leg to consult on this kind of thing. I'm not sure how much help you can expect from the arduino forums, as it is definitely leaving the DIY space and going into commercial business
Yes it is commercial,
I was looking for someone who has done this before, which i appear to have found.
If this goes down that route i would be looking to pay the going rate.
Just trying to get some idea of cost before i waste time and money on a prototype that may go nowhere.
[quote author=Coding Badly link=topic=239983.msg1723414#msg1723414 date=1400098304]
Boardburner2:
Does anyone have links to hand please that outline penalties etc for contravention in uk and us please ? Scarier the better.
What happens if one sells or uses noncompliant low-power transmitters?
The article appears to be a detailed complete description of the FCC approval process.
This may also be worth a look...
The FCC and Open Source Hardware - SparkFun Electronics
Thanks for that. I found a precis of the relevent us law on the sparkfun site.
Looking for one for eu now, the documents are huge.