Diecimila board wont start. Crystal?

i have been trying to work out why my Diecimila clone wont start up.. there are no bridges and the usb to serial section works fine.
I tested it by wiring it up to the Boarduino using the serial, reset, +5, and gnd. it uploaded sketches perfectly.. there was no chip in the Diecimila naturally.

but when i have a chip in (i got a new working atmega with blink on it) nothing happens.. i'm thinking when the old ship went down it took the crystal with it :frowning:

Seeing as i have no replacement to test this theory what can i use in its place?. i assume it has to be 16 mhz so 4 wont work (i got 2 4 mhz oscillators in my harvest box, but they are 3 pin like the usb one and the one on the Boarduino).

Can a 555 timer be used in any way to emulate it? if so how? i just need to know if it is the crystal or not and i cant think of any other way of testing it to be sure.

suggestions?

I think you can change the Atmega fuses to work with internal clock, instead of external clock (crystal). It's less accurate, but I think this can prove if the problem is the crystal (or the caps connected to it, if they exist in your board).

thnx :slight_smile: but i dont actually know how to change the fuses :S

i just need to know if it is the crystal or not and i cant think of any other way of testing it to be sure.
suggestions?

The crystal is basically a piece of rock with some wires attached to it. About the only way to damage it would be to mechanically disturb it. It's more likely that your fuses are wrong.

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nope its a brand new chip. and it works fine :slight_smile: (tested in the boarduino)

the problem lies in the board

send it back to wherever you bought it :slight_smile:

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it broke after i repaired a bridge in the circuit when i discovered pin 6 (Digital) when used or a button was shorted to the ground somewhere.. it reset the board whenever used.

I removed the chip to make the repair.. the repair went flawlessly. the short was removed cleanly. but when i put the chip back on it wouldnt start..

i am wondering if the crystal may have had heat damage. as i had to try some resoldering on the chip bed (was in crooked but it was ok. more ugly than anything).

what shoud a mutlimeter show when testing the crystal cos i am getting a no reading on the continuity test (diode).

the crystal will read open circuit with an ohmmeter. I can pretty much guarantee you it's not the crystal- I have never seen a defective crystal. Check everything else, i.e. the traces, power at appropriate pins etc.

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the crystal will read open circuit with an ohmmeter. I can pretty much guarantee you it's not the crystal- I have never seen a defective crystal. Check everything else, i.e. the traces, power at appropriate pins etc.

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yup i discovered that one myself earlier :smiley: crystals don't register :)..

i may have one or 2 caps out then i suppose. I'll do more tests on the ones i suspect and get back to u. hopefully i have replacements if its them..

thnx for ure help so far peeps :slight_smile: