DSO Nano V2, digital oscilloscope

Dear Arduino-Community!

Im a quite new hobbyist and trying to get a bit deeper
in electronics and want to see what happens in the wires
that I connect.
I read that a scope would be a handy tool to see exactly that! :slight_smile:

Since Im a time to time hobbyist and just would like to do some
projects I wouldnt like to invest that much money so I found
that nice looking little tool:

http://www.seeedstudio.com/wiki/index.php?title=DSO_Nano_v2
http://www.exp-tech.de/product_info.php?info=p158_dso-nano-v2-digital-oscilloscope.html

I never used a oscilloscope so I really do not know what parameters
are important for what kind of tasks.

So my questions are:

  1. Is that sufficient for a time to time hobbyist?
  2. What CAN this device do for me?
  3. What kind of stuff CANT this device do (because of freq limit etc.)?

Thanks and regards,
Marius

you could also think about a logic analyzer that can evaluate digital handshakes, like this one - Logic Analyzers from Saleae - #1 with Professional Engineers -

Thanks robtillaart!
I consider this!

Does that mean I cant debugg signal transmissions
like i2c, ir-signal or simple pwm?

Should I consider the little more expensive
Dso Quad?

http://www.exp-tech.de/product_info.php?info=p159_dso-quad-4-channel-digital-storage-oscilloscope.html

Would it be worth the extra money?
Or is the dso nano sufficient for a hobbyist?

asuryan:
I never used a oscilloscope so I really do not know what parameters
are important for what kind of tasks.

What kind of circuits or projects do you see yourself doing and using a scope on? Will you be looking at inputs vs. outputs? Audio? RF? Digital transitions? Any/all?

asuryan:

  1. Is that sufficient for a time to time hobbyist?

Once again, it depends on what you plan to do; IMHO - that scope is ok for a field toolbox when you have no other choice or means to carry a full scope or something else, other than that it is pretty lacking.

asuryan:
2. What CAN this device do for me?

Just what it's specs say, but basically, it can measure a single channel, resolve down to a 50 KHz signal (good enough for servos and audio - note that when you pick a scope, the stated bandwidth needs to be approximately 4x higher than the highest frequency you expect to measure), it can store those readings (for later comparison to others - note this is not the same as having a 2-channel scope/DSO), it has a function generator, etc.

If your needs are little, such a device can be handy; however, given that this device runs about 1/4 the cost of some 2-channel portable DSO's - you might do well to save your money (or purchase a used quality 2-channel analog scope - something by Tek, HP, Agilent, Fluke, etc).

asuryan:
3. What kind of stuff CANT this device do (because of freq limit etc.)?

Well - you can't compare an input to an output at the same time (you need a 2-channel scope for that); you can't reliably test for any signals greater than about 50 KHz (not enough bandwidth; this isn't to say you couldn't go beyond this limit, just that the signals will look "degraded"). Still, this scope can be useful for certain situations. If, however, you can find a used, better quality bench scope (something with a bandwidth of 20 MHz or more, dual channel - and if you can find it, DSO capability), and spend a bit more ($250.00 - 350.00 USD) - or go for a new full-on DSO (for around $4-500.00 USD) - and as long as you don't need portable battery power (as most bench scopes need to be plugged into a wall outlet - though I am sure you can find a new bench DSO that is fully portable) - might be a better option.

Also - if all you need to check are digital signals, then a logic analyser like the Salae device might be a better choice all around; but you can only check digital signal transitions with it - you can't look at any analog waveforms, and you can't (usually) check for ringing and other such digital signal quality issues like you could with other scopes. Really, a logic analyser should be used in conjunction with a regular o-scope/DSO; they are really complementary tools for some tasks.

Finally - don't try to go beyond 2 channels on a scope/DSO unless you have a bit of money to spend; once you go beyond about 100 MHz and 2 channels on a scope, prices climb to the sky quickly...

:slight_smile:

Thanks for your big reply: I really appreciate that! :slight_smile:

What I would NOT like to do in my little electronics world:

  • Hack existent devices
  • Timing critical applications
  • Very fast devices

What I would like to do in my little electronic world:

  • Play with servos and steppers
  • Some LED light installations etc.
  • CapSense sensors
  • JUST Attiny45/85, ATmega328 AVRs and nothing bigger than that and not faster
    What I would like to explore maybe in the future:
  • Communication with bus-devices (I2C,SPI)
  • SDCard applications
  • IR Communication
  • Some basic wireless communication for devices

All of my stuff is not really timing critical as long as my devices
can react > 0.5Sec.

Would the Nano be sufficient as a "scope primer" (since I never worked
with one) and for the applications I would like to do?

  • It will show signals that are too fast for the device but as
    you said degraded, right?
  • Currently I expect that I2C communication could be critical to
    debug with it?

Maybe I should just try this one just for learning purposes.

If you go to youtube, you can find several videos on the DSO nano V.2 that compare it to 'real' scopes.

Basically, it's a cool single-channel DSO that works up to 50kHz.

Sometimes just the ability to record waveforms makes it worth it, I have a 20 yo 20Mhz 2 chan analog oscilloscope and its pretty hard to see anything other that general repeating waveforms, to watch a transmission its not fast enough and most one time events barely show up(like the spike when power is removed from an inductor), I was thinking of getting one just for the ability to record signals
honestly if your not gonna be hacking things its probably fine, debugging is mostly done in software(atleast for me), the oscilloscope is just to make sure its actually doing something

asuryan:

  • Play with servos and steppers
  • Some LED light installations etc.
  • CapSense sensors
  • JUST Attiny45/85, ATmega328 AVRs and nothing bigger than that and not faster
    What I would like to explore maybe in the future:
  • Communication with bus-devices (I2C,SPI)
  • SDCard applications
  • IR Communication
  • Some basic wireless communication for devices

All of my stuff is not really timing critical as long as my devices
can react > 0.5Sec.

Would the Nano be sufficient as a "scope primer" (since I never worked
with one) and for the applications I would like to do?

Provided you don't ever need to monitor two (or more) signals at once, this scope would be ideal for most of those applications; where it might falter would be with higher-speed SPI/I2C (possibly), but it could still be useful for slower speeds on those.

asuryan:

  • It will show signals that are too fast for the device but as
    you said degraded, right?
  • Currently I expect that I2C communication could be critical to
    debug with it?

Mainly it would be something like, if you were trying to sample a high-frequency sine wave, the output would be distorted (the waveshape would be wrong). As noted above, too, higher speed serial bus comms might not be suited for this device (but if you can reduce the speed of the comms, it should work ok).

asuryan:
Maybe I should just try this one just for learning purposes.

It is definitely useful for that! There is a great tutorial on oscilloscope usage over at Tektronix that you should look into; it is mainly geared toward their scopes, of course, but in general it should help you understand nearly any scope and how to use it properly (you'll have to do some "translation" from physical knobs/switches to that of software controls, of course).

Communication with bus-devices (I2C,SPI)

DSO that works up to 50kHz.

Strike one, even slow I2C is 100Khz. It might work at that speed but does it have protocol decoding which is more normally important that seeing just lines on a screen?

Apart from maybe the Capsense stuff you didn't mention a single analogue application and scopes are essentially an analogue device.

From what you've said a logic analyser seems more appropriate, the Saleae Logic is a great device and only $150.


Rob

I have a 100mHz dual ch scope, and it is often not enough, especially if you are dealing with a transient problem.

I also have one of these little DSO scopes and find use for it troubleshooting my dirt bikes and audio stuff.

Old thread, but DSO model changed and update might be useful for some people.

Since 12/2015 v2.50 DSO 150 is available on amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/DSO150-Oscilloscope-Pocket-sized-Digital-Cable/dp/B00RCT8HIE?ie=UTF8&keywords=SMO%20DSO150%20Mini%20Oscilloscope&qid=1464619891&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1

It is 2 channel now, display is small (128x96) but my first experiments were fine.

Features:

  1. 2x DC Channel (Max 5V.)
  2. 250Ksps rate (500ms/200ms/100ms/50ms/20ms/10ms/5ms/2ms/1ms/500us/200us/100us)
  3. USB power
  4. AVR 8Bit Core
  5. Dimension 5cm x5.2cm x 1.3cm
  6. 2.1" GLCD 128x64 KS0108
  7. slop +/-, 5%
  8. trigger level"0-5.1"

I received it yesterday, Package List:
1x DSO150 Body
1x Mini USB Cable
1x Mini Probe

First experiment was Arduino Blink sample with delay(1) instead of delay(1000):

Next was visualization of "analogWrite(6, 64)" on Uno pin 6 (with 980 Hz PWM frequency)

Finally I found a battery connector with on/off switch that allowed single Lipo powering:

The general remarks made by others remain, but for only 30 bucks a nice entry oscilloscope.

And as before zero documentation besides what is printed on bottom side:

I ordered another Probe for 2nd channel with attenuation ratio 1:10 that should allow to measure 0-50V range:
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Arrival-1set-P6100-Oscilloscope-100mhz-Osciloscopio-Probe-Dc-100mhz-Scope-Clip-Probe-100mhz-Multimeter-Probe/32664835565.html

I have already received the needed BNC Female Jack Connector Switch MCX Male Plug:
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-BNC-Female-Jack-Connector-Switch-MCX-Male-Plug-Right-Angle-Connector-RG316-Wholesale-Fast-Ship/32305132076.html

Hermann.