from protoype to product

Hello

Maybe a stupid question but its one that i need to ask. I am a newbee in electronics and i have made a simple prototype with the arduino, all is working well and the programm is behaving like it was programmed too.

Now i would like to go beyond the arduino and make it into a single piece of hardware.

The following questions pop in mind:

  1. Can i use the same atmel as on the arduino?
  2. do i need to burn a bootloader on it or can i burn my programm on a empty atmel?
  3. Could i use the Arduino to burn my programm on an empty atmel or do i need another programmer for the task?

I hope i have made my questions clear and sorry if they are a bit dumb but like i said i am a newbee wrestling through the wonders of electronics :slight_smile:

regards Bastiaan

Hi Bastiaan,

Hello

  1. Can i use the same atmel as on the arduino?

Yes.

  1. do i need to burn a bootloader on it or can i burn my programm on a empty atmel?

You don't need the bootloader.

  1. Could i use the Arduino to burn my programm on an empty atmel or do i need another programmer for the task?

Buy a programmer.

I hope i have made my questions clear

Absolutely! It was a pleasure to answer them!

You probably want to check a few of these pages for more information
http://www.arduino.cc/playground/Main/ArduinoCoreHardware
Eberhard

Thank you so much for the answers!

Another question, you have mentioned to buy a seperate programmer. I know for PC users there is alot to choose from, the problem is that i am working on OSX which has only usb and firewire connections. What programmer is usb and would work with my mac (brand, make etc)

Also a website of that particular atmel programmer would be nice, kind of curious on what kind of atmel chips i can use with it.

Also would it be possible to burn directly to the programmer using the arduino sketch software, i noticed there is a new version (00011) which mentions something like that in the improvemend release notes.

regards Bastiaan

Quote:

  1. Could i use the Arduino to burn my programm on an empty atmel or do i need another programmer for the task?

Buy a programmer.

You can try this Arduino AVR In System Programmer (ISP) – uCHobby
in order to turn your arduino into a programmer (I did not try it)

Nicolas

Nice Hack! But i rather play it save and buy or build a programmer

See tuxgraphics.org: 05101, AvrUsb500 -- an open source Atmel AVR Programmer, stk500 V2 compatible, with USB interface for how to program using the ft232 chip's bitbang mode :wink:

You can also use your computer's parallel port very easily.

Hi,

Thank you so much for the answers!
Another question, you have mentioned to buy a seperate programmer. I know for PC users there is alot to choose from, the problem is that i am working on OSX which has only usb and firewire connections. What programmer is usb and would work with my mac (brand, make etc)

Also a website of that particular atmel programmer would be nice, kind of curious on what kind of atmel chips i can use with it.

I don't have one myself but this one:

seems to be the one most commonly used... (its USB)

Also would it be possible to burn directly to the programmer using the arduino sketch software, i noticed there is a new version (00011) which mentions something like that in the improvemend release notes.

There is this page http://www.arduino.cc/en/Hacking/Programmer and possibly more info on th e playground.

Eberhard

@triffid That link is what i need! Thanks
Looks like an affordable usb programmer, i do read that the firmware needs to be installed through linux before the programmer will be OS independend thats a bit of a bummer since i do not have a working linux machine anymore, but i do know people that have so i will ask around!

and parallel......i know that its simple but like i said before i am working on a G5 which doesn't have parallel or serial ports for that mather anymore, thats why it needs to be usb as i don't wanna work on converting stuff using parallel to usb converters.

Anyway are there people here that work with this programmer on OSX? What are the experiences?

regards Bastiaan

Hi,

@triffid That link is what i need! Thanks
Looks like an affordable usb programmer

The "AVR ISP mkII" mentioned in the link http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/tools_card.asp?tool_id=3808 sells for 40Euros in Germany. You'll miss the fun of soldering the SMD-parts, but if its only for the money you should check you local resellers.

Eberhard

Herzliche dank fur der Tip Eberhard!!!, i got friends in germany so if for some reason buying in the netherlands is more expensive i will ask one of my friends to order and ship it to me! But i will call my local electronics reseller first.....

regards Bastiaan

Just to throw more options out there, I've had much success with Lady Ada's USBTinyISP.