General question concerning power LEDs and resistors.

So, for fun and games, I bought a few of these on eBay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-3W-Star-High-Power-RGB-LED-Lamp-Beads-30-45LM-350mA?item=160582419768

Totality of the specs, no datasheet:

?Brand new and high quality.
?High brightness, light and color consistency.
?Color: Red, Green, Blue.
?Viewing Angle: 140 degree.
?Wavelength: R:620-630nm G:515-525nm B:460-470nm.
?Voltage(Vf): R:2.0-2.5V G:3.2-3.6V B:3.2-3.86.
?Luminous intensity: R:30-35lm G:40-45lm B:15-20lm.
?Current: each 350mA.

No problem, I solder some 20 gauge wire to the leads, tape :slight_smile: it to a old Intel Pentium III heatsink, pick some bigger value resistors (three, on the cathodes) and work out the pins.. It's one common to +5V (common anode, right?) and one lead to +0V (cathode?) for each of the three LEDs in the package. Since I am running it at 5V I figure 5000mV/350mA (14.28) to drive it at I should try 15 ohm resistors and see it shine. It does. However, 5V * .35A =1.75 watts per LED = 5.25 watts per package. So, the questions.

  1. They say .35A each above which I run it at, yet this would seem to be 5.25 watts which exceeds the spec of 3 watts. The package did not burn out or anything, but I didn't run it that long because...
  2. I only have 1 watt rated resistors and boy do they get warm quick being run at 1.75 watts each. It seems a waste of energy. Is there a better way?

So should I use multiwatt resistors, drop back to, say, 30 ohms which puts me under the contradicting specs and also fixes the resistor issue, or what? It's a nice LED. Driven at 5V with 3 15 ohm resistors it really is a little star.

Please check my math, I don't know what I am doing.

It does. However, 5V * .35A =1.75 watts per LED = 5.25 watts per package. So, the questions.

  1. They say .35A each above which I run it at, yet this would seem to be 5.25 watts which exceeds the spec of 3 watts.

The 5V is divided between the resistor and LED... Some of that wattage is being used (wasted) to heat-up the resistors. :wink:

P.S.
So basically, you can't assume the current is 350mA... And since the voltage drop across each LED color is different, the current through each color is also different (when the resistors are the same). Because of the way LEDs work, you can assume that the rated voltage is dropped across the LED, and the difference between that LED-voltage and your power supply is dropped across the resistor. From the calculated voltage across the resistor, you can use Ohm's Law to calculate the current through the resistor (which is the same current flowing through the LED in series).

And FYI - High power LEDs are normally powered from a constant-current switching supply, which is more efficient than using a resistor as a current limiter.

Yeah at least 100% and possibly more... bad enough that the LED's get hot, let alone the 'current? limiting resistor' and regulator too?

Doc

Like I said, I bought a few to play around with them.

Maybe I should just buy a constant current source.

What do you think of this item:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Constant-Current-Driver-for-30pcs-1W-LED-20-30-x-1W-Driver-Waterproof-/120835499130

It's cheap and apparently popular. 320mA output which seems ideal for this LED which has a spec of 350mA. The LEDs could just be driven in series.

Sure Electronics sells one they claim is PWM-able... I don't know for Sure. I would stay away from them, they won't stand behind ANY warranty... I was Stoopid enough to try it twice and failed both times, to get a $30.00 piece of stuff from them repaired ( they told me to ship it back... both times. Funny thing was they didn't supply an address to ship it to or any mention of an RMA... Both times.

Doc

Power management is important for LED lighting, especially ss somewhat more powerful LEDs are available(!) Recommendations For You - DealeXtreme. Constant-current switch-mode power supplies are the usual approach for LED lighting but that complicates PWM dimming (but should allow analog dimming).

MarkT:
Power management is important for LED lighting, especially ss somewhat more powerful LEDs are available(!) http://dx.com/p/prime-100w-8000lm-led-emitter-metal-plate-pure-white-42806. Constant-current switch-mode power supplies are the usual approach for LED lighting but that complicates PWM dimming (but should allow analog dimming).

100W LED.

:astonished:

A tiny bit cheaper here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pcs-100W-high-power-LED-White-8000-Lumen-Super-Bright-NEW-100-Watt-/180836831046

Cheaper still, slightly different color temp:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/330660077325

I don't think I would trust myself. That is why I am messing with the 3W ones. Plus you can choose what color you want on them too.

No actually the Switching rate is so fast it can be thought of as analog, many PWM current limiters have PWM control inputs that just gate the signal off and on.

Doc