google has gone down hill

i really think google has sold their soul and lost sight of what they were originally trying to be. an information site, now when i search for anything all i get are websites and links wanting me to buy something.

i just want information dammit!
i dont want to buy a book or pay for someones paper on something that Im trying to write a paper on.

google needs to clean up and refine their search bots. seriously.

at least wikipedia is still add free

I just had to point out that pricing and advertisements is information too.

Are you talking mostly about typing in a chip number and getting a bunch of “for-pay” data-sheet download sites (rather than ANY actual manufacturers, even when you KNOW there are multiple manufacturers with downloadable datasheets for that part)? It’s been pretty bad there for a while, though I expect it has more to do with sites of questionable ethics managing to “finesse” the google bots rather than google intentionally listing their sites first…

Sigh.

Good point!

I usually do this:

google the part number, memorize manufacturer/brand

(google manufacturer if I do not know their URL)

google site:manufacturer.url partnumber datasheet

Result:
http://www.google.com/search?q=site:atmel.com+atmega168+datasheet

Funny that, I’ve never encountered one of these paid for sites. Most of my searches lead to http://www.datasheetcatalog.com for instance Googling “datasheet lm293” gives http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+datasheet+lm293&btnG=Search

Andrew

Octopart can be useful.

–Phil.

Apart from the topic of the inept rating mechanisms of Google (I hate using google for searching anything at all - i always seem to find just useless information in the top50)… Google itself is a topic for itself. It started out with a nice Idea for a search machine and is now one of the mot important companies in the world (in terms of Internet world) - and in my opinion they exploit their market dominance way too much. Streetview, this new tracer application and their habit of copyiing GOOD software into something they boost and load with ads is just disgusting. Software like WorldWind is almost forgotten although it has a much better quality than Google’s software. How about the market for browsers? Google simply took some good and free available code and turned it into some abomination we call Chrome. Symbian and Windows mobile dominate the smartphone market? Lets make Android… i just wait for the first Google Operating System (most certainly build upon lots of open source code, and instead of a balloon Tip you get Ads in what Cafe you find your best friend, of course also giving you the tip what to drink there…)

Long live altavista - Google has gone way to far down the hill. I hope it ends up so deep it has to face subduction zones… Microsoft, Apple and Mozilla should be waiting for that moment as well…

Yeah, all those free services and software applications are really annoying aren’t they? You should ask for your money back.

Andrew

Hm, in case you didnt mean it as sarcastic as it did ‘sound’ to me ignore this posting ;0)

The thing is that their so called free applications are never anything else but copied quality software loaden with adds. Think about someone taking some code you write in hours, maybe years and then sells (it is selling as they earn money with those programs) it - and even denies you exist… I mean, is that nice? No…
Most of the programs Google has obviously plagiated/stolen/whatever are free in their original version, and without ads…

So far Google is, for me, even worse than Microsoft, because MS at least doesnt hide behind hypocrit actions and messages…

Most of the programs Google has obviously plagiated/stolen/whatever are free in their original version, and without ads…

What proof do you have to make claims like that? In reality, google generally buys these small programs and absorbs them. If I don’t like the ads put into them to make them free, I just don’t use them. BTW, I believe Chrome is an open source app.

Well… my prrof is simply the existance of the Programs that are copied. Take WorldWind for one example. It was created, maintained and distributed by NASA and accepted by the users. A few weeks later Google Earth appeared and suddenly world wind was quite hard to find on Google (although that at least seems to have gotten better). Youtube was bought by Google, but only because their own copy (Google Video) did totally suck and wasnt accepted by the people.
Google Code is nothing but a second Sourceforge and last but not least Chrome which is some sort of Mozilla copy.
Oh and yes, Chromium is open source, but Chrome isnt…

Alright and as i dont like the programs they put ads into to make money - not to make them free (as they have been before!) - i stick to their predecessors, which are also most of the time also made of better quality…

It is generally a company’s fiscal responsibility to make money.

That i know (even as scientist ;0)) but i personally dislike Google much because of their hypocracy. They behave as if they were still led by two or three men sitting in a garage and complaining about the same tactics that they use. I mean, who else but Google has less right to blame other companies for exploiting their monopoly?

Can you tell me where to find the adverts in Google Earth please?

I was using WorldWind before I came across Google Earth and it looked like a very cool app. I even downloaded the source and compiled my own version to have a better play with it. Then I found Google Earth and the fact that their imagery was so detailed just blew WW out of the water. At that time (it may have changed since, I don’t know) WW was stuck with publicly available Landsat imagery that just about let you recognise something the size of a football pitch. With Google Earth I could see when the grass in our back garden is a bit brown because we’ve had a hot summer… Also the georegistration of WorldWind imagery seemed to be kilometers off, at least around me.

WorldWind looked like it would be good if you were an academic who wanted to overlay your own datasets onto the base imagery but I believe Google Earth lets you do that sort of thing now.

In short I believe Google Earth just outcompeted WorldWind in the things that the majority of people want to do.

Andrew

who else but Google has less right to blame other companies for exploiting their monopoly?

And what monopoly, exactly, do you think Google has? Can you tell me how Google even makes money with all the free stuff they offer?

A monopoly is illegal in the USA because it allows a single company to control the entirety of some industry the general public needs, which usually results in price gouging and/or supply control tactics. Where do you see this happening with Google?

Andriod: Doesn’t look to me like Google is really all that much of a monoply here.
http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/oha_members.html

Chrome: Hmm, a free, public, open-source project to address the shortfalls of the incumbent players.

Google Earth: Have you tried to get this kind of information from Garmin, DeLorme or Magellan? They charge hundreds of dollars just for the basic stuff. And you have to pay again every time you need updates. Google Earth is FREE to begin with and is updated for FREE. You can buy larger packages, but unless you are a company that needs it… (Analogous to buying a RedHat Enterprise Linux license?) And where else can a user like you or me take our recorded GPS data and overlay it onto a system of satellite imagery that anyone in the world can access for free? Where else can anyone develop applications that run against the largest and most detailed database of geographic data available for FREE? Google has invested millions of dollars into a system and given it to you for free. Do explain where the monopoly is.

And what is it you dislike about a company that takes a fledgling technology and pours gobs of resources into it? Have you ever read the history of nearly every situation where this has happened? Have you ever talked to a developer picked up through acquisition or currently employed by Google and asked them how upset they are about it? Have you talked to anyone in a scientific field who needs massive processing power to do complex modeling and can buy that from Google almost as a commodity rather than spending millions of dollars to build it themselves?

Quit slinging mud.

OK, back on topic… The reason the results show up the way they do is because many semiconductor companies don’t fully understand how to optimize their sites for search engine rankings. They are trying to balance between mass search engine appeal and ease of use by a relatively small group of engineers - namely those who are employed by their largest clients. They have to offer things like parametric product search systems which are inherently painful for a search engine to handle but are priceless to an engineer who’s looking for a solution. The effort goes where the money is and us hobbyists are not their major source of income (samples, anyone?). So search engine rankings suffer to allow more accessible information for their clients.

A monopoly is illegal in the USA because it allows a single company to control the entirety of some industry the general public needs, which usually results in price gouging and/or supply control tactics.

No.

Being or becoming a monopoly is perfectly legal in the USA. However, once one becomes a monopoly, abusing that position with price gouging, predatory dumping or supply control tactics is unlawful. That doesn’t always mean the monopolist company is disbanded…

And what monopoly, exactly, do you think Google has? Can you tell me how Google even makes money with all the free stuff they offer?

Have you ever seen statistics about who is doing advertises on the internet. I remember quite well that in the time yahoo was about to be swallowed by either google or Microsoft that the market situation was clearly showing google in a position of more than 50% - which is, somewhat, a monopolists place…

A monopoly is illegal in the USA because it allows a single company to control the entirety of some industry the general public needs, which usually results in price gouging and/or supply control tactics. Where do you see this happening with Google?

They are, at the moment, not in a position where they define costs, yet one could discuss the whole advertising matter in from that point of view, yet they own a monopoly in search engine use… and hence have a powerful data basis uncompared by other companies even through time, that grants them a hell lot of power… especially now that even embedded systems begin to rely completely on Google, not to mention the quadrillion ‘free’ applications Google made so far.

Andriod: Doesn’t look to me like Google is really all that much of a monoply here.
Alliance Members | Open Handset Alliance

No, not in that particular space, but it is again a place where they can put their stuff into. Do you remember a time when Micrisoft had to face monopilists penalties for adding a search bar to the task bar? (I think that was is, either that or an address bar) So, where is the difference? From what i have seen using Android there is no way of changing it from google to (perhaps) Altavista or Yahoo…

Chrome: Hmm, a free, public, open-source project to address the shortfalls of the incumbent players.
http://code.google.com/chromium/

And thats wrong. Chrome is a closed source application with possible (havent checked that one out so far) spyware potential. Chromium is open source, yes, but only as it is the basis for Chrome.

Google Earth: Have you tried to get this kind of information from Garmin, DeLorme or Magellan? They charge hundreds of dollars just for the basic stuff. And you have to pay again every time you need updates. Google Earth is FREE to begin with and is updated for FREE. You can buy larger packages, but unless you are a company that needs it… (Analogous to buying a RedHat Enterprise Linux license?) And where else can a user like you or me take our recorded GPS data and overlay it onto a system of satellite imagery that anyone in the world can access for free? Where else can anyone develop applications that run against the largest and most detailed database of geographic data available for FREE? Google has invested millions of dollars into a system and given it to you for free. Do explain where the monopoly is.

Yes, i tried and i failed for the companies you mention. From my field of work i have to rely some times on quite some good map material, especially high resolution images are very important…
For simple map stuff i use http://www.openstreetmap.org/ which has some nice licence anyway, for detailed satellite or heightmap data there is always the NASA repository to check out, and if i really need pics with the resolution of Google’s Spycams i take airpictures you can normally get at every land register (is that the right word for “Kataster”?) and most of the time for free. I know its a bit more work, but i prefer it to Google Earth/Maps

And what is it you dislike about a company that takes a fledgling technology and pours gobs of resources into it?

Nothing. All i want is to be sure about the companies plans…

Have you talked to anyone in a scientific field who needs massive processing power to do complex modeling and can buy that from Google almost as a commodity rather than spending millions of dollars to build it themselves?

What scientific field might that be? I have, honestly, never heard that google is doing such a thing. Till now i thought that only IBM and other would do such things. That sounds interestering and totally unGooglelike too…