Insider Demo of Arduino IDE 2.0 Release Candidate

We'd like to invite you all to join an official Arduino webinar next week (free, of course) so we can show you around the upcoming IDE 2.0 Release Candidate; new features, demos and a Q&A for all your burning IDE 2.0 questions!

Our own Ubi de Feo, Francesco Stasi and Alessandro Ranellucci will be hosting, and you can join in from YouTube, LinkedIn or Facebook! Set a reminder now on your preferred platform, and start preparing your questions.

Wednesday, 15th December, 2021 - 4PM CET / 3PM GMT / 10AM EST.

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Hi
sounds great. Will this be recorded?

Sounds good

Is this using rc1 which is available for download ?

It will, yep. It'll be available to view as a recorded video on each of the three platforms immediately after the livestream's finished. :slightly_smiling_face:

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Just a quick reminder that this is happening later on today, and we'd love it if you guys would join us on there! Please bring any questions along about IDE 2.0, and find out how you can contribute to the first stable release.

I missed most of this due to other commitments so was watching the recording from the start on YouTube when the video suddenly became unavailable. Neither is it available on Facebook

I assume that it will be made available soon

Same here - the youTube link seems private for the time being indeed

Sorry, yep, it needed more of an edit than anticipated, so it'll be back up shortly! Apologies for the delay, but I'll let you know in here once it's live again!

Still private at youtube(?).

Quite some edit. Still not available?

Willem.

Still private on YouTube
Why the need for an edit ?

When do you anticipate it being made available ?

Sorry for the delay guys! My fault entirely, getting distracted with a million other tasks :sweat_smile:
Just got it re-uploaded to YouTube though, so hope you enjoy! Apologies again for the protracted silence :slightly_smiling_face:

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Having watched the video all the way through now I must say that I was rather underwhelmed by the content.

The majority of the most useful new functionality, such as autocomplete hardly got a mention and the ability to go to or peek at a function definition, was not mentioned at all

There was also no mention of the fact that File/New now opens a new instance of the IDE which allows a different board/port combination to be used thus making projects involving more than one board much easier to test

The dark theme was briefly mentioned but not demonstrated and although the debugging options are currently somewhat limited there was no attempt to show what can be done

All in all a missed opportunity to "sell" the new IDE to current and potential users

I watched it too and indeed the title had set my expectations higher.
It seemed very improvised and focused on a very small subset of the capabilities, not the Big Bang party I was expecting for loosing the beta label. I guess that’s for FCS

Thanks for the feedback - all good stuff! Obviously we want everything we post to meet (even exceed!) expectations, so we need to hear when it doesn't so we can work on that for next time.

There are some tricky aspects to live streams; when you're running one, it's dangerously easy for it to go on for far too long. Time zooms past for the presenter, and can sometimes then drag for the viewer. So honing in on what we think are going to be the most interesting features is one way to keep to the timing a bit more constrained.

All that being said, from a community point of view, I kinda see this as a success! :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes: I like to think that content like these live streams are the start of the conversation, rather than the entirety of it. So hearing what you guys found to be the defining benefits of the IDE Release Candidate - and that they're different to what we anticipated - is actually great! Cards on the table, I feel like it's no bad thing that we didn't sell the IDE; I'd much prefer that we shared it, and then get to hear from you guys what's good (or bad) rather than telling you. :+1: (Although that's a particularly good point about the title and the expectations it sets - I've made a note!).

So keep it coming! This is good really stuff :slightly_smiling_face:

Nothing bad indeed - just a disconnect in terms of expectations. The candor was positive - engineers sharing their work.

I was more waiting for the top 5 or top 10 key new features users always dreamed of and have a sharp, fully prepared and rehearsed , engaging demo of each and then a section on the IDE underlying architecture (CLI, extensions, …) and how advanced users can take advantage of this or what it means for the future (more solid foundations).

Not really selling but showing what’s new and the user benefit.

Again. - that was just my expectations, based on the title of your post. More to come I’m sure and thanks for making this one possible

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You have hit the nail on the head.
Note my changed emphasis in the quote

Unfortunately I think that you honed in on the wrong parts of the project. Sure, the technology of how the IDE is built and what it is built with is interesting for some users, but the majority of users will not care if it is built using wet string as long as it works. You and the other developers, however, are very much into the technology and there will, of course, be users who are interested too, but not the majority of them

I think that you need two different types of presentation. One for the majority of users like me who want to know about features and benefits of the IDE itself and a second for the nuts and bolts of how the IDE works and how it may be modified and extended

Ironically with the new IDE features I can't help feeling that the new IDE is getting too far from its roots and will actually confuse newcomers. You are building the IDE that you want/need rather than what many, many users want/need

Take a simple example
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What is a new user to make of this pop-up ?
Is the pop-up good news, bad news, an error, help, advice and what use is it ?
I know the answer, but will a new user ?

If I remember correctly (possibly not) the "Professional" IDE that preceded 2.0 had the ability to turn an advanced mode on and off in order to keep things simple to begin with. I urge you not to move from the original roots of the Arduino project just to create a better IDE, which 2.0 certainly is. Arduino needs a constant influx of new users so please keep it possible for such users to be productive from the word GO when starting to use the IDE

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