# Learning self learning robots what is the best way **URL:** \ **Category:** General Guidance\ **Created:** [June 15, 2025, 4:25pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/learning-self-learning-robots-what-is-the-best-way/1389073 "2025-06-15T16:25:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![roelofw](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/roelofw/32/1101110_2.png) [@roelofw](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/roelofw)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2025, 4:25pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/learning-self-learning-robots-what-is-the-best-way/1389073/1 "2025-06-15T16:25:44Z")
Hello, Im a beginner who has followed the McWorther course on the arduino. Now im thinking of making self learning robots in the future. Is there some sort of path I can follow the best to achieve that goal ? ---
**Author:** ![anon94801460](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/278dde/32.png) [@anon94801460](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/anon94801460)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2025, 4:30pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/learning-self-learning-robots-what-is-the-best-way/1389073/2 "2025-06-15T16:30:32Z")
There are a great number of paths to making robots, but first, explain what you mean by a "self learning" robot and describe what you want it to do. ---
**Author:** ![PaulRB](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/paulrb/32/216330_2.png) [@PaulRB](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/PaulRB)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2025, 4:42pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/learning-self-learning-robots-what-is-the-best-way/1389073/3 "2025-06-15T16:42:42Z")
> [@roelofw](#): > > some sort of path I can follow the best to achieve that goal A university degree in electronics engineering or mechanical engineering or maybe data science or computer science. Choose a course that will allow you to select optional modules so that you have some knowledge in all these areas. This degree will help you get a job in a company that builds self learning robots. This sounds like a great career path for a young person today! ---
**Author:** ![roelofw](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/roelofw/32/1101110_2.png) [@roelofw](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/roelofw)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2025, 4:45pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/learning-self-learning-robots-what-is-the-best-way/1389073/4 "2025-06-15T16:45:00Z")
I thought of a robot that can solve a maze or a robot that learns himself to walk. ---
**Author:** ![roelofw](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/roelofw/32/1101110_2.png) [@roelofw](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/roelofw)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2025, 4:45pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/learning-self-learning-robots-what-is-the-best-way/1389073/5 "2025-06-15T16:45:48Z")
Then it is impossible. I live in the Netherlands and university is much higher level then I ever learn or can learn. ---
**Author:** ![PaulRB](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/paulrb/32/216330_2.png) [@PaulRB](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/PaulRB)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2025, 4:49pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/learning-self-learning-robots-what-is-the-best-way/1389073/6 "2025-06-15T16:49:35Z")
> [@roelofw](#): > > Then it is impossible. If you have the desire and determination to build self learning robots, you will be able to get into a university for those kinds of courses. You are the kind of person those universities are looking for. ---
**Author:** ![roelofw](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/roelofw/32/1101110_2.png) [@roelofw](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/roelofw)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2025, 4:51pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/learning-self-learning-robots-what-is-the-best-way/1389073/7 "2025-06-15T16:51:34Z")
I do not think so IM almost 60 and then I have to achieve 2 higher levels to goto university Never going to achieve this ---
**Author:** ![PaulRB](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/paulrb/32/216330_2.png) [@PaulRB](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/PaulRB)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2025, 5:01pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/learning-self-learning-robots-what-is-the-best-way/1389073/8 "2025-06-15T17:01:49Z")
Same age as me. I would also love to make self learning robots, but it's hard to find time while I'm still working. I would like to build a Micromouse, which is a small robot that can solve a maze. There are annual contests in several countries and a worldwide contest also. You can see amazing videos of the winners on YT. I know that as an amateur, I will never win such a contest, but it would be great to build a robot good enough to enter into a regional contest. ---
**Author:** ![roelofw](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/roelofw/32/1101110_2.png) [@roelofw](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/roelofw)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2025, 5:21pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/learning-self-learning-robots-what-is-the-best-way/1389073/9 "2025-06-15T17:21:56Z")
That would be awesome. But first we have to learn how to make things work, And I do not see a path to learn or a path what I can make to make this work somewhere in the future. Right now I trying to make this robot ( [https://www.ottodiy.com/](https://www.ottodiy.com/) ) and adapt it so the head can turn so could run into a maze. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_KD7HB](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/paul_kd7hb/32/1127958_2.png) [@Paul\_KD7HB](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/Paul_KD7HB)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2025, 5:27pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/learning-self-learning-robots-what-is-the-best-way/1389073/10 "2025-06-15T17:27:04Z")
Have you give much thought relating to how YOU would make a computer learn something, like movements or anything else? Most computers forget everything when power is removed. ---
**Author:** ![roelofw](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/roelofw/32/1101110_2.png) [@roelofw](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/roelofw)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2025, 5:36pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/learning-self-learning-robots-what-is-the-best-way/1389073/11 "2025-06-15T17:36:42Z")
I do not think so But I think fast maybe some sort of sd card or maybe in the memory of the arduino or another pcb with a battery or so ? ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_KD7HB](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/paul_kd7hb/32/1127958_2.png) [@Paul\_KD7HB](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/Paul_KD7HB)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2025, 6:01pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/learning-self-learning-robots-what-is-the-best-way/1389073/12 "2025-06-15T18:01:17Z")
Are you telling us that you have not actually tried something? If that is true, why not begin? ---
**Author:** ![roelofw](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/roelofw/32/1101110_2.png) [@roelofw](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/roelofw)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2025, 6:02pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/learning-self-learning-robots-what-is-the-best-way/1389073/13 "2025-06-15T18:02:35Z")
Because my question is here where to begin and how to proceed ? So is there a path I can follow to learn all the pieces I need to learn ---
**Author:** ![PaulRB](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/paulrb/32/216330_2.png) [@PaulRB](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/PaulRB)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2025, 6:06pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/learning-self-learning-robots-what-is-the-best-way/1389073/14 "2025-06-15T18:06:53Z")
I think a good place to start would be a line-following robot. This means you can start pretty simple, following a track painted on a floor surface. But it could develop into a line-maze which could be as difficult to solve as any maze with walls. ---
**Author:** ![roelofw](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/roelofw/32/1101110_2.png) [@roelofw](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/roelofw)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2025, 6:08pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/learning-self-learning-robots-what-is-the-best-way/1389073/15 "2025-06-15T18:08:32Z")
Thanks, Some work to do the next few months or weeks. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_KD7HB](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/paul_kd7hb/32/1127958_2.png) [@Paul\_KD7HB](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/Paul_KD7HB)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2025, 6:09pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/learning-self-learning-robots-what-is-the-best-way/1389073/16 "2025-06-15T18:09:40Z")
You are doing self-learing. You have to design, test and discard many possible ways to do self learning. I do not know, have never attempted self learning software. But fundamental is programming to remember each decision the software makes and the results of the decision. Recursive programming will look at the prior decision results and see if the test was successful. If not discard that decision and continue. Or something like that. ---
**Author:** ![xfpd](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/xfpd/32/1120236_2.png) [@xfpd](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/xfpd)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2025, 6:33pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/learning-self-learning-robots-what-is-the-best-way/1389073/17 "2025-06-15T18:33:39Z")
> [@roelofw](#): > > where to begin and how to proceed I had a professional life of these decisions. I use what is called "completion backwards" where I have a goal and ask, "what is the step before that goal?" which creates an intermediate goal. I continue this until I have a map from start to stop. For example, "I want to hike in Mienchweiler an der Rodalb." Rather than taking the first zeppelin across seas and borders to dock at the retired hospital, I first learn that I need a local train to arrive. To catch that train, I need an inter-regional train to Mannheim. I then learn Mannheim has no international airport, so I find Frankfurt am Main has an international airport (in Wiesbaden). My "goal" is now reduced to the task of finding an international airport that flies to FRA (airport code). This is "All roads lead to Rome..." Compare that to the "normal" way... take any flight from here to the other country, then find out how to do the next step. This pidgeon-holes you into limited choices. This could be the completion of the previous elipsis, "... but none lead home." Fear nothing. ---
**Author:** ![grb](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/grb/32/1201129_2.png) [@grb](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/grb)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2025, 7:46pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/learning-self-learning-robots-what-is-the-best-way/1389073/18 "2025-06-15T19:46:13Z")
> [@roelofw](#): > > Right now I trying to make this robot ( [https://www.ottodiy.com/](https://www.ottodiy.com/) ) and adapt it so the head can turn so could run into a maze. Why does the head need to turn? It can turn its whole body: [![](https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/original/4X/e/6/a/e6ab10c6aac1807e2e7854326c27df6547c6952d.jpeg "Robot for Kids | Learn how to make DIY Otto Robot | Ut Go") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAdSBA00tjY&t=1113) ---
**Author:** ![roelofw](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/roelofw/32/1101110_2.png) [@roelofw](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/roelofw)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2025, 7:49pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/learning-self-learning-robots-what-is-the-best-way/1389073/19 "2025-06-15T19:49:53Z")
That is correct, But as far as I can see it cannot see a hole in a maze because it is on the side It can only detect things right before it. ---
**Author:** ![grb](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/arduino/user_avatar/forum.arduino.cc/grb/32/1201129_2.png) [@grb](https://forum.arduino.cc/u/grb)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2025, 7:53pm UTC](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/learning-self-learning-robots-what-is-the-best-way/1389073/20 "2025-06-15T19:53:45Z")
You will have the same problem with a turning head (which will initially face forwards, presumably). Just make it turn left and right (or 360°) to check the view when an obstacle is encountered in the direction of travel. [Next page](https://forum.arduino.cc/t/learning-self-learning-robots-what-is-the-best-way/1389073.md?page=2)