Negative Karma?

I have read a lot of thank yous but Karma does not come along every day.
BUT, when it goes down one must wonder where the Negative Karma button is hidden on the post page.
Oh well the thanks yous do just fine.

There is a verb "Everything you give energy to will grow"

Negative karma has been removed in the previous version of the forum, the reason was that by giving negative karma the negative attitude on the forum grew. bashing etc.

Fortunately it was decided to make this forum more positive :slight_smile:

thank you

There are some abusive responses that I would like to have had a negative karma button for!!

Weedpharma

for that there is the report to moderator button, but unfortunately that part of the forum is not working 100% yet. I have 9 reported posts at the moment I cannot handle (or don't know how to) due to the new forum.

You can always try to PM one of the moderators, but it will take time,
sorry

Alternative: Follow up the negative post with a positive post. Shows the target of the negativity that this isn't a hostile environment, there are just some prickly residents.

For that reply, @SirNickity, you get some karma.

That's nice but after a while the "do it for me" types and some others can be frustrating.

How many "Help, it doesn't work!" threads have you seen?

spicetraders:
I have read a lot of thank yous but Karma does not come along every day.
BUT, when it goes down one must wonder where the Negative Karma button is hidden on the post page.
Oh well the thanks yous do just fine.

I have seen a few people come out of the forum change noting loss of karma points.

As pointed out before, you can give significant help to 20 people and maybe get 1 point.
The meaning is that karma is not a serious matter here.

GoForSmoke:
That's nice but after a while the "do it for me" types and some others can be frustrating.

How many "Help, it doesn't work!" threads have you seen?

Yes that is true, but at least the replies stating "this is not a help desk" are much fewer.
While in name it is not a help desk, so many out there really need help.
From all my years of work being the one every one seems to come running to to find an answer, a forum with those asking is like still being back at work.
I do not mind one asking even the lame questions. (ones who failed to read the guides).
And lack of a thanks is OK as long as they learn and grow their knowledge.

And the numbers of -do it for me- types is a good sign, it shows that demand for the Arduino is good.

True.

If I don't want to help someone at all, I don't enter the thread.
In some cases I try and drop hints and in others way more than that.

It can be hard to judge if someone will go the distance of even a short learning curve. Truth is that coding something real with unknowns almost always takes longer and more effort than any party involved wants to think. Or at least that's been my experience.

Some threads I look into and it's the familiar "I don't know jack about code or hardware but I want to do a project of major proportions ASAP.". And they generally have a mass of code grabbed from I don't know where and often enough it doesn't compile. The true cream have all that yet describe the results they're getting.

The ones I like the least want their school work done so they can get a good grade. Yes, future entrepreneurs and management material who get others to do the work for less pay.

It's only the ones that do learn that keep me trying but I tell you, they're not the majority.

GoForSmoke:
It's only the ones that do learn that keep me trying but I tell you, they're not the majority.

The ones that don't seem to want to learn, even though you point them in the right direction, are the most annoying. They come here looking for advice, but ignore it when it's given.
E.g. You point them at the BWoD example and they come back insisting on using delay(). :angry:

Henry_Best:
The ones that don't seem to want to learn, even though you point them in the right direction, are the most annoying. They come here looking for advice, but ignore it when it's given.
E.g. You point them at the BWoD example and they come back insisting on using delay(). :angry:

Put timers in loop() to run delay-ridden functions with libraries that are worse.

Cutting and pasting example code into something that sort of runs is not "I understand that"..
"I understand that" means "what's next? I'm ready", not poking in the dark out on a limb.

I've a few that came back like out of nowhere where they went and actually, get this, worked at it and applied all their lonesome's and then much later bang it's hey thanks and that does feel good more to see someone else liberated from step-pause, set-pause, step-pause deathmarch checklist programming methods taught like bad habits way too long.

I spent whole days in the past refining my own toolbox but started with maybe just an hour making diagrams and modeling my steps on paper before starting any code. It took practice to get familiar with, debug and improve code to where it was smooth and easy to use. By then I knew what I was doing at least with everything like that. And that's what I wish to pass along, the yes you can if you really try, unless it's stupid and can't work of course, LOL!

GoForSmoke:
I've a few that came back like out of nowhere where they went and actually, get this, worked at it and applied all their lonesome's and then much later bang it's hey thanks and that does feel good more to see someone else liberated from step-pause, set-pause, step-pause deathmarch checklist programming methods taught like bad habits way too long.

I taught myself, with the aid of some books, to program in Z80 assembler. That was in the days before the internet and forums like this one. It was a long and painful process, but I worked at it until I knew what I was doing and how to do what I wanted.

I was a member of a local computer club. Nobody else was into assembler, but I took my part completed program along to show it off. There was one guy there who was a teacher (not IT) and he would say "That's good, but it would be even better if..." My usual reply was "I don't think I can do that." But by the next meeting I HAD done it. Again he would say "That's good, but it would be even better if..." and the cycle would begin again. That guy, although he hadn't the faintest idea about Z80 assembler, taught me a lot.

I spent whole days in the past refining my own toolbox but started with maybe just an hour making diagrams and modeling my steps on paper before starting any code.

The only sensible way to do it. When I was writing assembler, I would print out the program regularly and go through it, step by step, to see if I could save a few bytes, as memory was tight.

I bought a TI-56 at the start of 1978.

In Learn mode you see the 2 digit step, a space and then the row and column of the button/instriction as another 2 digit number. It's got little space and few branches and no indirect address capability but it teaches logic and forces optimization.

Sorry to drag the topic back on-topic, but (and I don't know about you guys) I can't currently see ANY karma. (I can see how to add it)

LOL you don't show any Karma.
And your add button under your "Posts:" count does not seem to take any either.
Must be the extra title of Global Moderator!

OH, spoke to soon I do not see any karma any where.
Probably was all used to land the Philae lander on a comet

LOL you don't show any Karma.

I didn't "LOL" (I rarely do), but you don't either.

No it was more of a sad chuckle and a shake of the head.

Well that should fix any problems about karma.