New Arduino Tian make Arduino out of bottom of the food chain.

sonnyyu:
FYI;-

The heart of Yún is CPU - AR9331, here is the market position of it.

AR9331 (MIPS 24k@400MHz, 1x1:1, 150Mbs/2.4GHz, PHY/100Mbs)

AR9341 (MIPS 74Kc@500Mhz, 2x2:2, 300Mbs/2.4GHz, PHY/100Mbs)

AR9344 (MIPS 74Kc@600MHz, 2x2:2, 300Mbs/2.4GHz, 450Mbs/5GHz, PHY/1Gbs)

QCA9558 (MIPS 74Kc@720MHz, 3x3, 450Mbs/2.4GHz, 1300Mbs/5GHz, PHY/1Gbs)

It is already on bottom of the food chain.

Arduino Tian:

AR9342:MIPS 74Kc@560MHz, 2.4GHz, 5GHz

http://www.arduino.org/products/boards/4-arduino-boards/arduino-tian

sonnyyu:
Arduino Tian:

AR9341:MIPS 74Kc@560MHz, 2.4GHz, 5GHz

http://www.arduino.org/products/boards/4-arduino-boards/arduino-tian

https://www.arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardYun

Difference I see:

  • Built in BLE (Bluetooth)!!!
  • 14 Digital input (20 on Yun)
  • 6 Analog input (12 on Yun)
  • 7mA (40mA on Yun, I think) DC current per I/O pin

Wow, BLE and lower power. Hmmm, but I need more analog I/O!?!

Anyone else?

Jesse

The main difference for me is Tian replaces ATmega32U4 (Yun's micro) by SAMD21 (Zero's micro).

Osqui:
The main difference for me is Tian replaces ATmega32U4 (Yun's micro) by SAMD21 (Zero's micro).

And AR9342:MIPS 74Kc@560MHz, 2.4GHz, 5GHz (dual band) v.s. AR9331 MIPS 24Kc@400MHz, 2.4GHz

MIPS32 24 Kc delivers a performance of 1.6 DMIPS/MHz and 3.1 Coremarks/MHz.
MIPS32 74 Kc delivers a performance of 1.93 DMIPS/MHz and 3.48 Coremarks/MHz

AR9342:MIPS 74Kc@560MHz run 2 times faster than AR9331 MIPS 24Kc@400MHz.

jessemonroy650:
https://www.arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardYun

Difference I see:

  • Built in BLE (Bluetooth)!!!
  • 14 Digital input (20 on Yun)
  • 6 Analog input (12 on Yun)
  • 7mA (40mA on Yun, I think) DC current per I/O pin

Wow, BLE and lower power. Hmmm, but I need more analog I/O!?!

Anyone else?

Jesse

Apple to apple comparison:

Yun:

Analog Input Channels:12, 10 bit ADC channels
Analog Output Pins:0

Tian:

Analog Input Pins:6, 12-bit ADC channels
Analog Output Pins:1, 10-bit DAC

Tian is far better than Yun if you need analog I/O.

Wow, a beautiful board. I wonder if they will improve the bridge library. And I didnt see a microsd socket.

mart256:
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And I didnt see a microsd socket.
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eMMC Flash 4 GB.

USB OTG port:

USB On-The-Go, often abbreviated to USB OTG or just OTG, is a specification first used in late 2001 that allows USB devices such as digital audio players or mobile phones to act as a host, allowing other USB devices such as USB flash drives, digital cameras, mice or keyboards to be attached to them. Use of USB On-The-Go allows those devices to switch back and forth between the roles of host and client devices. For instance, a mobile phone may read from removable media as the host device, but present itself as a USB Mass Storage Device when connected to a host computer.

In other words, USB On-The-Go introduces the concept of a device performing both master and slave roles – whenever two USB devices are connected and one of them is a USB On-The-Go device, they establish a communication link. The device controlling the link is called the master or host, while the other is called the slave or peripheral.

Arduino Yún : Yún in Chinese means cloud.

Arduino Tian: Tian in Chinese means sky.

sonnyyu:
Tian is far better than Yun if you need analog I/O.

Better if you need the extra two bits of resolution, but not better if 10 bits is good enough and you need more channels.

sonnyyu:
eMMC Flash 4 GB.

Not the same as an SD card: it's smaller, and not removable. That means you can't swap out the card to log more data, copy the files to another computer, or prevent wearing out frequently updated files.

Increased raw power is enticing: but not every application needs maximum processing power, and with the increased power comes some trade-offs that might eliminate it from some some applications.

ShapeShifter:
Better if you need the extra two bits of resolution, but not better if 10 bits is good enough and you need more channels.

Far better here is Tian:1, 10-bit DAC v.s. Yun: None

ShapeShifter:
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Not the same as an SD card: it's smaller, and not removable. That means you can't swap out the card to log more data, copy the files to another computer, or prevent wearing out frequently updated files.
...

It is true.

On other side micro SD slot has reliability problem, we saw so many threads here already.

ShapeShifter:
Better if you need the extra two bits of resolution, but not better if 10 bits is good enough and you need more channels.

Not the same as an SD card: it's smaller, and not removable. That means you can't swap out the card to log more data, copy the files to another computer, or prevent wearing out frequently updated files.

Increased raw power is enticing: but not every application needs maximum processing power, and with the increased power comes some trade-offs that might eliminate it from some some applications.

Thats what I meant with the microSd. But theres the usb host for flash drives.

sonnyyu:
Far better here is Tian:1, 10-bit DAC v.s. Yun: None

Again, better only if you need it. If you don't need it, the feature is meaningless.

sonnyyu:
Arduino Tian:

AR9342:MIPS 74Kc@560MHz, 2.4GHz, 5GHz

2.4 GHz wifi band dirty crowd:

5 GHz wifi band is super clean:

Channel 36-48

Channel 149-165

New Arduino Tian come with two standard antenna connector, one for 2.4 GHz and an other for 5 GHz.
extended wifi range could be easily by use antenna. 24 dBi antenna will make wifi range from 100m to 1600m.

sonnyyu:
Friis Transmission Formula with Propagation Law

  • R = Maximum range for communication link
  • N = Propagation Law (N=2 for line-of-sight, N=4 for urban environments)
  • PT= Transmit power
  • GT= Total antenna gain
  • λ = Wavelength
  • PR= Receiver sensitivity
  • FM= Fading margin

if in urban environments;-

  • Every 12 dBm receiver sensitivity gain will be double the distance.
  • Every 12 dBi antenna gain will be double the distance.
  • Every 12 dBm Transmitter power gain will be double the distance.

in line of sight environments;-

  • Every 6 dBm receiver sensitivity gain will be double the distance.
  • Every 6 dBi antenna gain will be double the distance
  • Every 6 dBm Transmitter power gain will be double the distance.

Cell phone signal repeater or booster - #9 by sonnyyu - General Electronics - Arduino Forum

sonnyyu:
New Arduino Tian come with two standard antenna connector, one for 2.4 GHz and an other for 5 GHz.
extended wifi range could be easily by use antenna. 24 dBi antenna will make wifi range from 100m to 1600m.

::::SNIP::::

@sonnyyu,
Can Yun use external antenna?
Jesse

jessemonroy650:
@sonnyyu,
Can Yun use external antenna?
Jesse

Yes, with some kind of difficulty (hack).

Yún: no antenna connector but special connector MM8430-2610 for calibration of AR9331.
https://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=188976.msg1470200#msg1470200

Tian: two standard antenna connectors, one for 2.4 GHz and an other for 5 GHz.

sonnyyu:
Yes, with some kind of difficulty (hack).

Yún: no antenna connector but special connector MM8430-2610 for calibration of AR9331.
Mystery component on Yun board? - #8 by federicofissore - Arduino Yún - Arduino Forum

Tian: two standard antenna connectors, one for 2.4 GHz and an other for 5 GHz.

Thanks.

mart256:
Wow, a beautiful board. I wonder if they will improve the bridge library. And I didnt see a microsd socket.

mart256:
Wow, a beautiful board. I wonder if they will improve the bridge library. And I didnt see a microsd socket.

Arduino.org provides a new library called "Arduino Ciao" that runs on the Yun. I knew it at last LinuxCon in Dublin few days ago. I tried ciao and it seems to be faster and simplier than the standard bridge. Ciao is also plugin based, but at the moment it supports few protocols though.

Some in deep info are available at http://labs.arduino.org/Ciao