Hi Guys,
Along with the shame of having you loose my account and I'm now classed as a newbie, I now have to endure a five minute wait between posts? I'm having trouble seeing the value in this. Usually I will dive in, ask a question and in then, in the spirit of the community, karma and pay-it-forward go searching for a few questions I can answer. That's going to stop pronto if I have to wait 5 minutes between posts.
And where did the Edit feature go? I'd much rather realize 4.3 ms after I post that I need to amend something or add something, than have to add a new post to the thread just so I can be clear for everyone else. Have I lost my mind? Didn't we used to be able to do this?
And as a follow up, I can see the value of warning you that another has posted a reply while I was typing my reply, but really aren't more answers better than fewer? Shouldn't I have the option to say "go ahead" post anyway?
And back to the 5 min post sillyness. I've got a conversation going with someone I'm trying to help but it's unnecessarily slow due to this new 5 min cap. Is there a posting tax we're all trying to avoid that I wasn't aware of?
So, you haven't seen the other threads in the forum about the 5 minute limit, to reduce spam? It only affects you for the first posts you make, I think first 100.
"And as a follow up, I can see the value of warning you that another has posted a reply while I was typing my reply, but really aren't more answers better than fewer? Shouldn't I have the option to say "go ahead" post anyway?"
You can, just scroll down a little more.
As for the 5 minute, you don't understand just how bad the spamming was that was occurring. We volunteer moderators just could not keep up with banning & deleting it all. The 5 minutes & 100 posts limit has really helped that. Please be a little patient; it is not going away.
"The problem is when people who took the wrong decision refuse to admit they were wrong."
Take it up with the Admins/Webmaster. We moderators have no control, all we can is complain also. There is no perfect solution it seems.
I know your position of Moderator and I know that you have no voice in the management of the forum.
I know you made the best with the resources that webmaster grants you.
I know your work is not easy.
But why did webmaster choose the "Full Member" position (100 posts) instead of starting with "Jr Member" position (50 posts) ?
Is there were tests with the "Jr Member" position ?
I doubt.
When isanArduinoresponsible will stop to despise us and have politeness to respond?
Do you remember : "Dear communauty we have to talk**"**
Ok thanks. That's reasonable given that after 100 posts that goes away. It's shame given that I was already way way way past that with the old account.
Oh well, just inspires me to help out more.
I do get the spam and rant issue. I'll never understand why people who are going to be caustic or vague (as in "if you don't know that answer I'm not going to tell you, go research it yourself") want to even contribute.
My view is: Everyone has to start somewhere and there are no stupid questions. If you don't know something, you don't know something - no crime in that. But if someone doesn't want to help educate, then make room for someone who does, but don't talk down to the person asking the question because they might never ask another.
I appreciate the work you moderators do - used to do the same things back in the compuserve days for the burgeoning visual effects industry - just way too much work; and that was when you had to pay for you logged in time!, helping or asking.
As a "new" member, of probably only a couple of years now, I've just run into this while trying to EDIT a post I made - the first in many months.
You have exceeded the number of posts you can make in a 5 minutes period. Please try again later.
Yes, I get that it can help cut down on spamming, but I don't quite get how stopping a spammer from editing a post is beneficial. It is of course, a total PITA, to anyone who isn't a spammer.
At this rate, I think I'm unlikely to reach 100 posts any time soon. I am quite likely to just get fed up and stop posting again though.
I also get that moderators can't do anything about this themselves. I'm sure your opinions carry more weight than mine do though, with the people who could fix it.
Should I just go and make 70 or 80 nonsense posts, at five minute intervals, or would I, understandably, be banned for that kind of behaviour?
Andy2No:
As a "new" member, of probably only a couple of years now, I've just run into this while trying to EDIT a post I made - the first in many months.
If logic was applied to the problem it would seem that the 5 minute limit could be lifted if the average time between posts exceeded (say) 3 days.
But all that requires that the people who manage the Forum software should read and take account of the comments of the people (us) they are supposed to be serving.
Alas, they don't.
What is even more frustrating is that I have made the point about participating the Forum regularly directly to the management on a few occasions when they have raised their heads above the parapet and nothing useful has happened.
Andy2No:
Should I just go and make 70 or 80 nonsense posts, at five minute intervals, or would I, understandably, be banned for that kind of behaviour?
I suggest find some newbies who have less experience and who are asking questions on the forum, and answer on the topics you have gained knowledge about over the last couple years. If you concentrate on that for just a little while, I think you'll find you will lose the restriction before you know it.
dmjlambert:
I suggest find some newbies who have less experience and who are asking questions on the forum, and answer on the topics you have gained knowledge about over the last couple years. If you concentrate on that for just a little while, I think you'll find you will lose the restriction before you know it.
I do check back in the forum every now and then. I don't rely on the notifications, so perhaps when they don't happen all the time I don't miss it.
Andy2No:
I'd be happy to offer help, but the forum software appears to be dead set against making that easy for me, or even practical.
It does look like you edit most of your posts. If you take your time and check that you've said everything you want to say before you post, you may have a better experience. I do go back and edit some of my posts, but I make an attempt to avoid the habit. Sometimes it is difficult.
I don't make a habit of browsing forums unless I'm looking for information about something specific, or for someone to ask about something specific.
I do follow up on notification emails about replies to threads I've posted in, on forums where that works. It's a basic requirement of any forum, as far as I'm concerned, and it makes it possible to discuss things over longer periods of time, or pick up a discussion that went quiet a while ago, that I have something to add to, or want to know more about.
I'm aware that in any forum there are people who spend time there and keep up with what's happening. I'm not one of those people on any of the forums I belong to. Not everyone is. With forums that work (as I see it) properly, that's not an issue.
dmjlambert:
I do check back in the forum every now and then. I don't rely on the notifications, so perhaps when they don't happen all the time I don't miss it.
It does look like you edit most of your posts. If you take your time and check that you've said everything you want to say before you post, you may have a better experience. I do go back and edit some of my posts, but I make an attempt to avoid the habit. Sometimes it is difficult.
I almost always re-read what I've said before I post, and I almost invariably realise I've cocked it up in some way, just after I press the Post button. I think this is not uncommon, and the Edit button is there mainly for that reason, not to edit a post retrospectively, which can lead to a lot of confusion and misunderstanding, with people who read it in its original form.
Is this the five minute argument, or the full half hour? I could easily get my post count up to a hundred by engaging in pointless bickering, I suppose I thought my points were fairly clear, but I guess I don't communicate them as well as I could.
You have exceeded the number of posts you can make in a 5 minutes period. Please try again later.
This time I got that just trying to preview a post. I haven't posted it yet.
This "feature" is really pissing me off, to be honest. Enjoy your forum, guys. I don't expect to be visiting it much myself, in the forseeable future.
This forum has flaws. It fits my needs as is, although improvements would be great. I don't know if any improvements are coming. I made suggestions that could help you have a less painful experience getting out of newbie status by contributing.
The five minutes is to fight off the spammers. Sorry the new posters get caught up in it, but after 50 or 100 posts it goes away.
We volunteer moderators couldn't keep up with the spam before the 5 minutes and other limitations were put in place.
I thought my points were fairly clear, but I guess I don't communicate them as well as I could.