You may be right, but you shouldn't jump to conclusions about the relationship between the earth and sun rotation/orbit. 200 years ago you wouldn't expect the period of the rotation of the moon on it's axis is connected to the period of it's orbit. But it is exactly the same for good reason!

sbright33: 200 years ago you wouldn't expect the period of the rotation of the moon on it's axis is connected to the period of it's orbit. But it is exactly the same for good reason!

I am not an astronomer but enlighten me anyways.

liudr:

GoForSmoke: Pi is an irrational number (can't be expressed as a ratio of integers) regardless of base.

Exactly. Or alternatively put it, a result of two incommensurate periods. I wonder why there's not as much fascination to other irrational numbers such as square root of 2 being 1.4142136... It's every bit as practical as pi. If you see some independent variable change by a factor of 2 but your dependent variable only changing about 40%, you are likely looking at a y=sqrt(x) situation. I routinely cancel square of pi with gravity g since their numerical values only differ by less than 1%. There's no hidden message here. Just numerical coincidence. I also hate the calender. Some irrelevant initial conditions have set the period of earth rotation, revolution around sun and moon revolution around earth and we are trying to make sense by hodgepodging these three incommensurate periods together into various calenders even to this day. The crazy leap day, some once per 4 years but not per 100 years but again per 400 years and again some stuff 8000 year you will have to do what?!

And I always thought it was Presidential elections that caused and forced leap years on us? :D

The moon’s orbit and rotation on it’s axis has the same time period, because of it’s shape. Gravity causes it to do both at the same speed. It is shaped like a football a little, not a perfect sphere.

sbright33: The moon's orbit and rotation on it's axis has the same time period, because of it's shape. Gravity causes it to do both at the same speed. It is shaped like a football a little, not a perfect sphere.

Makes some sense. Not gravity, friction. This is the steady state of moon after so many years. I read up on wikipedia.

All orbits are ellipses and the moon always faces the Earth because its rotation is gravitationally locked, as some day Earth will be to the Sun. I think that Newton and others had that figured out over 200 years ago, btw.

The relations can't be so special since Earth is turning slower every year and the Moon's orbit is still widening about 2 inches per year towards its equilibrium.

Think of the long tradition of astrologers and other con-men getting over on the rubes, this clown is working the crowd in that grand old tradition. It's -not- just music, it's *inspired* music that if you have the right vibes can pick up on and become like, a better person you know? It's tooooob-yew-ler!

This guy did not notice the coincidence e^(pi*i) + 1 = 0 which connects 5 fundamental constants.Of those 5 constants the first two are transcendental, the next is imaginary and the last two are natural. If this does not prove the existence of god please turn your head by 90 degrees and rethink the whole argument ;)

[quote author=Udo Klein link=topic=135881.msg1027987#msg1027987 date=1355164770] If this does not prove the existence of god ... [/quote]

I thought that was a philosophical question, all of which requires no proof. I though such question as do you trust Newton's laws of motion needs no proof. There is no way to prove the laws. We can experiment with them and show they work under our experimental conditions but still can't prove it will work elsewhere. But, if you do trust these laws, through seeing them work under various experimental conditions, you can prove many other laws with Newton's laws. I used to watch TV and I had (still have) the "History" and sci-fi channel. Between these channels I can't remember how many times some religious "scientists" were proving some events described in religious scripts actually happened, such as Red sea splitting with a desktop fan and bath tub, and bush can burn spontaneously. They got it all wrong. Philosophy needs no proof! Although it is easy to actually prove that god exists than disproving it. He just needs to show up and do some godly things in front of non-believers.

If Jesus himself showed up at a Tea Party convention and healed a bunch for free then started delivering -his- message they'd call him a fag and hang him for being a liberal.

Anything you can prove is not God. You spend your time better getting along with others, knowing them even if you can't prove who they are either.

But why does e^(pi*i)=-1? I think we understand that. At least some of us do. But not the 3_4_5 thing and all the rest. It's a mystery. It requires belief not proof. It's philosophical. It can't be explained. There's no reason for that pattern to be there. You have to admit at least that it's interesting.

sbright33: http://xkcd.com/217

But why does e^(pi*i)=-1? I think we understand that. At least some of us do. But not the 3_4_5 thing and all the rest. It's a mystery. It requires belief not proof. It's philosophical. It can't be explained. There's no reason for that pattern to be there. You have to admit at least that it's interesting.

First time seeing it for me! Very funny!

Why does e^pi-pi = 19.9990999...? Can someone explain the math behind that to me? Maybe there is no math. Philosophy?

Is it a Coincidence that it is so close to 20? It's only 1/10,000 away. But 6 9's? Hmmm Wait for it.

exp(pi)-pi=pi+pi^2/2+pi^3/3!+pi^4/4!..-pi

I don’t know where that leads except for numerical result.

You've missed a term. exp(pi)-pi=1+pi+pi^2/2+pi^3/3!+pi^4/4!....-pi

Pete

oops. Any math wiz?

sbright33: But not the 3_4_5 thing and all the rest.

That's because there is no 3_4_5 thing. The rest is fundamental relationships you can't understand without advanced math and coincidental digits.

You do the math you get to see it. There's no other way. You don't and you may become prey to charlatans and worse.

3_4_5.... what a con!

has any one read "Half Past Human" or "Godwhale" by T.J. Bass?

His gY=c premise that it's the creators signature is kinda interesting.

basically a planets gravity times the year in seconds comes out to the speed of light for a habitable planet.

And on the subject of pi, have you guys seen the movie?

If you haven't you should

I liked the first Castenada set better.

There is nothing unique about base 10. We chose it because of our fingers? This proves that there is some connection between the base we use and the number Pi.

If only a threetoed sloth could talk and inform us what he thinks pi is ?

It seldom stands alone. But it stands alone more often than pi/2 or pi+constant. So it makes more sense to define pi than 2pi.

A= Pi * r^2 That's the first one we learned with Pi in it.