POWER ISSUES - Mega and 6 RC522 rfid readers

I'm working on a project that uses 6 RC522 rfid readers attached to an Arduino Mega. I can get it to work fine with 3 or 4 readers, but when I plug in 5 & 6 everything stops working.. After checking the voltage requirements the RC522 has a working current of 13—26mA/ DC 3.3V. Which would put 4 readers current consumption at 52ma. The Mega has a 50ma output on the 3.3v pin.

I need advice on how to power the other 2 readers. Am I going to have to use a second 78-156ma/ DC 3.3V transformer to run the 6 RC522 rfid readers? Or does anybody have ideas on using the transformer supplying the mega to accomplish this?

Voltage divider on the 5V?

OKI 3.3V switchmode regulstor.

INTP:
Voltage divider on the 5V?

Don't be silly. The current is not constant.

Get a voltage regulator.

Brittio:
The Mega has a 50ma output on the 3.3v pin.

Make that 150mA.

I saw peak currents of 60-100mA in the datasheet.

How do you supply the Mega now.
Maybe a simple 5volt to 3.3volt lineair regulator will do.
Don't know if sensitive RFID receivers like switching regulators.
Leo..

Don't know if sensitive RFID receivers like switching regulators.

I do, they don't mind.

Wawa:
Make that 150mA.

I saw peak currents of 60-100mA in the datasheet.

How do you supply the Mega now.
Maybe a simple 5volt to 3.3volt lineair regulator will do.
Don't know if sensitive RFID receivers like switching regulators.
Leo..

I was using a 12vdc 50ma transformer. Swapped to 12vdc 1200ma and didn't see any improvement.

Swapped to 12vdc 1200ma and didn't see any improvement.

That is because it has to go through the same 3V3 regulator on the Mega. You need a regulator that can provide extra current, as well as a power supply that will provide more.

Got any supply decoupling?
http://www.thebox.myzen.co.uk/Tutorial/De-coupling.html

Also how far apart are these readers? They interfere with each other if they are too close.

raschemmel:
OKI 3.3V switchmode regulstor.

How do I hook it in? Does it go to the 5v pin?

Grumpy_Mike:
You need a regulator that can provide extra current, as well as a power supply that will provide more.

Are you saying 12vdc 1200ma isn't large enough?

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Grumpy_Mike:
Got any supply decoupling?

Also how far apart are these readers? They interfere with each other if they are too close.

I haven't done any decoupling.. These readers are temporarily very close because I'm testing. Again, they work fine as long as I don't have 5 or 6 plugged in.

I haven't done any decoupling..

Then get some.

These readers are temporarily very close because I'm testing.

Sorry Physics does not know you are only testing, it carries on working just the same.

gain, they work fine as long as I don't have 5 or 6 plugged in.

Again the problem is either:-

  1. Not enough current capacity causing the voltage to the readers to drop. Have you measured the voltage at the readers power pins?
  2. Too much interference caused by close proximity of the readers / lack of supply decoupling.

oki 3.3V regulator

It's pin for pin compatible with LM7805 regulators.
Just connect the 5V to the input pin and use the 3.3V output

Available here
http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en/power-supplies-board-mount/dc-dc-converters/4325599?k=murata%20oki

raschemmel:
oki 3.3V regulator

It's pin for pin compatible with LM7805 regulators.
Just connect the 5V to the input pin and use the 3.3V output

It's not better connect it to 12V? The datasheet that you linked specify 7-36 V as Vin.

Ciao, Ale.

None of the data shows performance of 3.3V output with 5v input, only 7, 12 and 36V. You'll be fine with 12V, and get more efficient operation (longer battery life) with 7V.

It's not better connect it to 12V? The datasheet that you linked specify 7-36 V as Vin.

Yes. My bad. I didn't read the datasheet (DOOH !!!)


Got the voltage regulator installed and now it will operate 5 of the 6 readers.. In the picture you can see I'm connecting them using network cables. I can rearrange all my readers and it works fine so long as i only have 1 long red cable. (the 6th reader was also on a long red cable) I plan on running all 6 on longer cables once i'm done testing.. Is this something Decoupling would help with? (again i've never decoupled)

Decoupling would help with?

It won't do any harm.

Read:- De-coupling

The key here is to do some measurement of the voltage. Is it holding up? You say:-

Got the voltage regulator installed

Is this a single pre built block, or have you made it from components. If so you should have used decoupling capacitors as part of the regulator circuit.

I used the "OKI 3.3V switchmode regulator" that raschemmel recommended. (pn:OKI-78SR-3.3/1.5-W36-C)

Do you have a meter to measure the current drawn from the 3.3V regulator ?

raschemmel:
Do you have a meter to measure the current drawn from the 3.3V regulator ?

I have a multimeter, but I don't know how to use it for current...