Red stripe vs blue stripe 3M ribbon cable - anyone used both?

I bought some of the cheaper red stripe 3M ribbon cable from Digikey but it's kinda stiff compared to the ribbon cable I'm used to, even the cheap stuff from China that Sparkfun uses. I was wondering if anyone's used the darker gray stuff with the blue stripe from 3M and if that was more flexible, or if the apparent changeover to something that doesn't emit harmful smoke when it catches fire caused a change to the chemistry of the plastic that resulted in stiffer cables and this is what we're stuck with now?

This is the cable in question:

Also, does anyone know any cheaper places to get ribbon cable than Digikey / Mouser?

try www.phoenixent.com
Phoenix Enterprises product listing WIRE & CABLE - BULK
100' roll 10 conductor $15.90 vs 100' roll 6 conductor $30.80 (Polyolefin (PO))
(PVC) 300' roll 6 conductor $40.72 Poly-Vinyl Chloride (PVC)

so I guess it depends how long a length you want and if don't mind peeling off 4 wires.
same here
http://www.mpja.com/9-CONDUCTOR-FLAT-CABLE-100ft/productinfo/8566+WI/
100' roll 9 conductor, $16.95. Buy 5 for $13.95 each (PVC)

All seem to be 28 guage made up of 7 strands of 36 guage

I don't know how Jacket (Insulation) Material compares: Polyolefin (PO) vs Poly-Vinyl Chloride (PVC)
Polyolefin gets you down to -40C vs -20C for PVC.

The recommended solid wire size is 22 Ga and those real floppy wires are like 10 strand wound together to make a 30 ga wire I only use them for signal wiring or the 3In./75 mm power wires from a rail to a light load. When I need to use a back-light I use another separate power supply usually a breadboard "Plug-In" that has a 2.1/5 mm coaxial power jack, a power switch and a USB connector, the ones I have are for the 830 tie point b'boards and acn make one rail 5V and the other rail 3V3 or both rails 3V3 and they only usually cost $2.00 - $4.00.

Bob

What are you going on about Docedison? Recommended solid wire size for what?
scswift only asked about flexible28 guage ribbon cable.
I bought a 100' roll of 16 conductor from phoenixent.com and female crimp-on headers. It is 3M flat cable and seems pretty flexible.

I need like 500' of 6 pos ribbon and 50' of 16 pos ribbon and I don't really feel like peeling off that much excess wire.

I guess $152 for the 6 pos isn't unreasonable. :confused:

What kind of signal are you sending 500'? RS485 type signals?

Where'd you see 500' roll? I only see 300' at digikey.
You could add 6 pin headers to both ends of 100' rolls and plug together. Just peel the extra 4 back a little & leave in place otherwise.
Or splice together yourself.

Make a GREAT antenna...

Bob

I'm not sending a signal 500', and I don't see any 300' rolls of the grey 6 conductor ribbon on Digikey, that price was for 5 100's rolls.

I need 500' because I need to make 50 pairs of ribbon cables with one 7.5' long and the other 6" long.
(Actually, come to think of it I only need 400' but I wrote down 500' because I was looking for a 500' roll.)

The ribbon cables will be carrying low speed signals via SPI to some LED drivers.

It's for one of these:

The 7.5' cable will be inside the hose running from pack to thrower, for a couple 24 LED drivers.

Or rather, it's for 50 of those:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/shawnswift/the-mightytm-microcontroller

The final result will be something like this:

(That is not my light and sound circuit but the functionality will be similar.)

Btw, the board design has changed dramatically in the last four months:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/shawnswift/the-mightytm-microcontroller/posts

Oh and that's an Atmega1284 on there. I was originally going to use a 328, but it turned out SD cards don't play nice on the SPI bus with other devices and I really needed the extra ram.

Eh, I'll go with the less expensive cable I guess. I don't know that the other type is any more flexible and I'm just being picky.

Ended up going to the local surplus store today and scored 300' of 16C ribbon for $15 Wish I had the money to buy all they had, there were around 5 more rolls there. Anyway saved myself a bundle, it would have cost around $75 for all the 16C and 6C cable I needed. I'm just gonna unzip 250' of it to get my 6C cables. Unfortunately half of them won't have a polarity stripe, so I'll have to be careful when assembling the cables.

Now I just gotta find a place where I can get IDC connectors cheap and fast. I need 100 6P ones and 100 16P ones. I'm thinking about using half direct wire to board ones for the 16P so I don't need to buy a bunch of matching shrouded headers. Stupid things are expensive!

You could always take a sharpie and add a stripe to the wire, easy enough to do.

Compare here for 16 pin female crimp connectors
http://www.king-cart.com/phoenixent/product=RECEPTACLES-SOCKETS+IDC+.1SP+%2526+2MM+SP/exact_match=exact
and mouser

Not sure what to do about 6 position - they do exist, see the ICSP headers, this is the only one I could find.

You don't need shrouded headers - just straight male pins, keep track of which way to install.

I'm not gonna sharpie 250' of cable. I'm sure my customers would rather have a pristine cable than one with my crappy sharpie work all over it. :slight_smile:

As for the connectors, finding them isn't the problem, it's finding them cheap. Mouser's got some from FCI on there. It's $88 for 200. I'd rather pay more like half that. My budget is running kinda thin here, and I'm sure there's some surplus somewhere I could buy or a supplier in China I can order from.

As for the shrouded headers, those are for my customers so the won't plug stuff in the wrong way. But if permanently attach the ribbon cable with the right connector then I don't really need to worry about that.

I dont know why the difference in flexibility or sharpie is going to matter when its wire loom-ed together, as in the original picture

Well the less flexible cable seems more cheaply made. I'm concerned constant flexing might break it. Also these things need to be stuffed inside a small box with a lot of other wires. If the cable is more flexible it makes it easier for the end user to install. Not a big thing but I know I'd want more flexible cable if I was given the option.

As for the sharpie, it would look unprofessional. You might not be able to see it once it's installed but my customers would see it when they go to install it.

Basically I'm just trying to deliver the best and most professional product I can within my budget.