Score!!!

A client of mine (I'm in I.T.) had a desk full'o'crap that her ex-husband didn't want. She asked if I wouldn't mind taking it off her hands, of course free electronics crap is always a good thing, so of course I said YES YES YES! OH HECK YES!

I have yet to go through it (will likely take a full weekend), but here's a quick run down so far:

12 x IC tubes (all over 1 foot long, most are almost full) probably 100+ IC's of varying types...

1 tall parts organizer filled with stuff (40 smaller containers, two larger and one huge)

2 small (6 compartment) organizers filled with stuff

1 box of random stuff (helping hands, magnifiers, project boxes, transformers, db9/25 connectors, etc,etc,etc)

1 Adjustable bench power supply (not working -- blown fuse).

I've already found a hand-made 10x16 3mm led matrix... WIRE WRAPPED! :slight_smile:

I'm seriously giddy right now.. can't wait to finish this post and find out what other treasures I may have.

What other treasures have you guys and gals been given or found?

A local company was abandoning their manufacturing location here and opened up their warehouse to the public to just haul stuff away for free. Most of it was random metal brackets, sheets of plastic, etc. etc. but there were hundreds of spools of hookup wire, stranded wire, all sorts of wire worth thousands of dollars (wire isn't exciting, but it does cost money!)

I took as much as my conscience would allow....I don't think I'll ever run out of wire in my lifetime.

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I had a summer job at Hazeltine, back in 1977 or so, consisting of electronics prototype assembly: mostly wirewrap and occasional soldering. I let it be known I'd be interested in anything interesting that got thrown away, and one day there were four large sized wire-wrap panels stuffed with 4000 series CMOS parts. I calculated; just the PINS on the panels were worth more than I earned that summer... (I still have those somewhere...)

Oh, and then there was the $40000 worth of high-density FPGAs that I found on the trash more recently. I still haven't figured out what to do with those (I mean, they're 1156pin BGA things, and I can't use them, but ... I can't just throw them away, either!)

I have yet to come across any treasures that good. I guess the best so far is the occasional hookup wire from a hamfest. Most people will practically give it away... especially if their wives are there helping them get rid of their old "junk".

Well, I had to pay for it, but I'd say the best thing "given" to me was my Altair 8800 (with more peripheral and memory cards than the bus could hold).

And by "pay" I mean I spent $100.00; the guy at Apache Reclamation was firm on the price, and wouldn't budge (I offered $50.00...) - he told me "some guy pulled it out last week from that trailer over there (pointing to the trailer behind it) - and told me it was an antique. $100.00"...

Yes, it was difficult to part with that hundred - I think I laughed all the way home.

After doing a bit of research, I found that mine has the rarer toggle switches (round handle instead of flat - IIRC, most were made with flat toggles); that night, I posted about it on a small Altair list, and was immediately offered a considerable sum more than what I paid for it. I declined; I intend to someday restore it to museum display quality if I can. It needs a lot of TLC, though...

:slight_smile:

Ok - something found or given?

My brother-in-law was working on a job on the other side of town; he told me he had seen a bunch of computer junk next to a dumpster behind a taco shack...

We drove over there, and I managed to collect two Apple IIgs computers (one missing its top cover), a couple of Apple floppy drives (on 3.5 and one 5.25), a mouse, and various cards, plus keyboards. Not too bad of a haul for free.

I ended up taking them home, and booting up a 15 year old copy of Battletech I had for the Apple IIe - I had to use a small 5" portable color TV for the monitor...but they worked fine!

;D

I have a feeling I am going to need everyone's help with the IC's... Soooo many... 100 pieces was a lowball... There was probably 50 or so in the parts organizer, mostly (according to very quick google searches) op amps of varying counts (bi/quad/octo/etc) a few led drivers (bar/dot), many multiplexers of some sort, a few a/d converters... I'm seriously overwhelmed :slight_smile:

I'm going to quickly go through and sort things out to get a solid inventory. I'll make up a quick spreadsheet with part numbers and quantities as well as whatever descriptions I can find.

I have a feeling that I will have little use for most of them, so they'll be more or less up for grabs, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it :slight_smile:

HEEEELLLP!!

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HEEEELLLP!!

Heck, that's nothing. A long while back I purchased a whole tub of various ICs in various ranges of "quality" (ie, some were smashed bugs, others were brand new). I went through the entire bin, and only about a month or so ago did I finally get everything completely sorted (there was also miscellaneous transistors and other small components mixed in).

Best thing to do is just jump in and start sorting. Put on a static strap first; most older TTL devices are ok handling in general, but CMOS stuff can be fragile. Depending on how you want to sort and store them, you might look into getting some anti-static foam to stick 'em into. You might want to get some parts bins, or do the plastic baggie thing.

Be aware that some parts you may not be able to identify. Put those into a ??? pile and move on; come back to them later. Google is your friend; look up datasheets, and save them in an archive as you go along (I typically keep a copy of every datasheet I run across - even if I don't have the part, maybe in the future I will) - note that in your inventory as well.

Some parts may be "house marked" - that is, they were numbered by the manufacturer for the company that bought them; good luck figuring them out! Depending on the numbering scheme it may or may not be possible.

It sounds like you have a big task ahead of you; it may take a while, but you'll get there.

A few things to note - if any of the ICs have gold leads, are made of white ceramic, or have windows on top, you may want to set them aside. Gold leads can indicate mil-spec parts; white ceramic can indicate similar, or other "specialness", and if there is a window, it is likely a UV-EPROM device.

Some UV-EPROM sizes and types are sought by collectors and restorers of old arcade machines. If you have such a device, and there is a label over the window with hand-written wording - leave the label in place (and if you have more than one, and can identify a set - keep those together). Such EPROMs store code and data, and depending on what they were for, might be worth more (ie, its software for an old embedded system) than the chips alone. Of course, it has to be the right software (old arcade romsets are highly sought). You want to leave the label in place so that any code doesn't get corrupted by light exposure (although depending on the age and other such factors, it may or may not matter).

But first, identify all the chips - you should keep as many as you can, as long as you think they are something you will use (for instance, from my pile I found several AM radio chips - basically an AM radio on a chip - I need those like I need a hole in my head). I would keep any op-amps (especially if it is an instrumentation amp!), audio amps, comparators, digital logic, etc - those are all useful.

Good luck, and have fun - I can't wait to see what your haul included!

:slight_smile:

I spent the last 4 hours going through and sorting all the ic's... I only sorted individual tubes, so the spreadsheet has duplicates, but those will be moved around eventually. There's only a few that I couldn't find datasheets for, hopefully someone can help :slight_smile:

I've put the list here: http://stuff.nvdesign.net/IC%20Stock.pdf

Quick preview: 125(!!! hope they're useful) x 74F04PC; 12 x LF411CN; 10 x TL071CP; 3 x DAC0800LCN; 8 x HYB4116;

Some stats: 77 different IC's with a total of 318 pieces and an average of 2.5 IC's per part number (when I exclude the 125 count of 74F04PC's).

Quick question.... What the heck do most of these do?!? :wink:

Well from he numbers you have some logic, some op amps (useful), some 8 bit analog to digital converters which are kind of usefull, they do what th analog pins do on the arduino, the last one HYB4116 may well be Hyundi 16k dynamic ram, usefull-ish, it's no accident you have 8 of them i forget what the 4 means on the begining of the number, either 4bit in which case you need 2 to make 16k x 8bit
Cr0sh what is wrong with AM radio's? i wanted to make a Rugby time signal radio, they would have been useful

74F04

TTL Hex inverter...
http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/74/74F04.pdf

Really ancient 74F series TTL logic (F stands for "Fast", which they are, compared with the original "74 Vanilla" series from the 1960's. Also lots more power.) Modern families (74HC, for example) are faster and use much less power. They are pin-compatible, but not necessarily logic-level voltage compatible.

LF411

JFET input OP amp.
http://www.national.com/ds/LF/LF411.pdf

Old stuff like this required two power rails (typically +15 and -15 Volts). Output levels could not get closer than a couple of volts from the power supply values.
Modern "rail-to-rail" op amps are available that operate on a single power supply (maybe +5 volts).

TL071

Another old-style FET-input Op Amp
http://focus.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tl071.pdf

DAC0800

Eight-bit parallel Digital-to-Analog converter. Requires dual supply rails (can work on +5 Volts and -5 Volts) and external OpAmp.
http://www.national.com/mpf/DA/DAC0800.html#Overview

HYB4116

Sixteen Kbit (Yes kilobit, not megabit) dynamic RAM.

With eight of these you can have a whopping 16 KBytes of Memory! I just don't know how the heck you would use it.

The 4116 (developed by Mostek and pirated reverse-engineered by many companies---HYB4116 is an Infineon part number) was a giant step up from the older Intel 2107 (4K bit) device, which never actually worked properly. (In spite of Intel's claims at the time, I still believe that there were pattern sensitivity issues in a significant percentage of the 2107's released into the wild, even though they supposedly tested them at the factory).

This is a really, really (really) obsolete part. Requires a controller to refresh and to take care of address multiplexing drivers. These old NMOS parts (they didn't have large-scale CMOS in those days) require +5 Volt, -5 Volt and -12 Volt power supplies. Compatible with the Intel 8080 and other 1973-vintage components. Maybe you can make jewelry out of them. See Footnote.

Regards,

Dave

Footnote:
For a while, waaay back in the 20th century, it was kind of a techno-fad to make earrings out of electronic components. These were (and still are) guaranteed to make you popular with the opposite sex (unless you are a male).

TTL Hex inverter...
Intelligent Power and Sensing Technologies | onsemi

Really ancient 74F series TTL logic (F stands for "Fast", which they are, compared with the original "74 Vanilla" series. Also lots more power.) Modern families (74HC, for example) are faster and use much less power. They are pin-compatible, but not necessarily logic-level compatible.

Looking at the datasheets:
74F04 = 3.7ns
73hc04 = 7ns*
So the is still sometimes a good reason to choose TTL over CMOS.

@UltraMagnus

the[re] is still sometimes a good reason to choose TTL over CMOS.

Thanks for pointing out the differences. I should have compared the 74F family with 74AC or something like that instead of 74HC.

Power (lower power, that is) is still a big reason that I would go for modern families. In my experience, decoupling requirements for 74 and 74F were much more severe than for CMOS devices.

However, given a basket full of 74F stuff, maybe I would try them if the need arose. (Or, maybe, not.)

Bottom line: When anyone (especially if I am that "anyone") gives opinions, whether they are claimed to be "based on experience" or not, maybe you can find them useful as starting points, but don't take them as "fact" or the "last word." See Footnote.

Regards,

Dave

Footnote:
"Do your own research!"
---Richard Feynman

So will I actually be able to make use of the 74F's? If so, what would they be useful for? My electronics knowledge is 100% self taught, no basic classes yet :frowning:

yes, they are perfectly usable, the logic levels are a little different, but as long as you are working at 5v it shouldn't matter.

what to use them for, inverting, lots of inverting.

I think I'll chain them all together to invert a HIGH back into a HIGH, 125 IC's later...

@nikvd

I think I'll chain them all together...

That's one way to make an oscillator. Try it with 3 + 2N inverters for any value of N. (Total number of inverters is an odd number.) More inverters results in lower frequency.

Regards,

Dave

The inverters are used for "inverting" 1 in = 0 out and 0 in = 1 out, also usefull for buffering, protecting your arduino pins, they have many uses

some dynamic rams are useful for Graphic LCD buffering, where it's quicker to transfer a static image from ram directly to an lcd while the cpu is doing more usefull things, DMA

So will I actually be able to make use of the 74F's? If so, what would they be useful for?

There used to be a lot of circuits based on 7404 type inverters; you can coerce them into oscillators and such. I don't know if the F04s would work in such circuits.
Nowadays, not so much. Your F04s are probably somewhat useful as high-current drivers. If I read that datasheet right (and it's somewhat weirdly stated), the outputs should be capable of sinking 50 to 100mA (vs 20 to 40mA for the AVR outputs.)