This question has been answered for me but will be leaving for future discussion
I have a question if it taken that way should there be rules for replying to newbies.
As I was told a long time ago by an old man you can ask any question you like there is no dumb questions only dumb answers.
I am saying this as I see sometimes some of the experts not all of them jump down on newbies they give a stupid reply, rude reply or the wrong answer and after that some people don't come back.
I am saying this right now as I have just read a reply by one expert who told someone to go away and find the answers there self and another expert gave them a hint to where to look what reply is correct.
also if someone ask a yes or no question what should there reply be yes or no or jump on them.
I don`t have a problem if people have a problem with my statements.
I was a vit supervisor for a long time I tort a lot of people how to look after grape vines when they started working with me I told them two things if you tall me you know how to do something I wont believe you and you can ask any question you like,
there first question was why wont you believe me the answer was simple I have not seen you do it so you could be ballshiting me show me you can do it I will believe you.
what all of the above means everyone is a newbie to you know they can do it
The simple answer is "no"... this is a community forum not a vendor help-desk.
Some people are rude and of no help, others are rude and help lots; some are better mannered and don't help either, while some are better mannered and help lots.
That said, there's always the report to mod link, and if someone thinks a member is being outright rude and acting like an @$$hole, then a mod can step in if alerted.
With 220k members, there will be lots of jack@$$es.....
that's not what I was getting at I was meaning the way people reply to newbies if someone ask a question you don't like just point them where to look simple don't just tall them to go away and find the answer.
A person would not ask if they did not wont to no something.
you don't have to give an answer to a question being shown where to look will be more helpful that a stupid answer
when I see people being rude to other people I don't like it. so I will say something
I am a disabled person so I have to put up with people being rude all the time because I have what's classed as an invisible disability.
so if I have a fended you sorry.
Its just some of the people on this forum are very rude hiding behind a computer is not an excuses for being rude as they will not do it to your face.
I'm sorry if I offended you too- just being my normal silly self.
But I stand by what I said in first reply: rules are tricky to make and or enforce: rather let common sense prevail and release the mods where necessary.
JimboZA:
Some people are rude and of no help, others are rude and help lots; some are better mannered and don't help either, while some are better mannered and help lots.
What Jimbo is saying is that the self-policing nature of the forum is largely very effective, and that setting "rules" tends to impede productive discussion and alenate those who may be somewhat "Grumpy", but have the answers on the tip of their fingers. Every so often someone asks "what can we do about all this spam", but the system ("Report to moderator") generally works well enough.
I suspect that most enquirers manage with what answers they get quite well; much the same proportion fail to return to acknowledge a "pleasant" reply as an "unpleasant" one.
Unfortunately the fact that you actually come and challenge what you see as a problem, actually implies an effective problem-solving attitude on your part that many people simply do not have, and are as a result, doomed to repeated failure and disappointment. Many repliers (and to a certain extent myself as well as those who have replied so far here) sense this and give a minimal, facetious or apparently rude reply when the question is clearly inappropriately formulated, testing whether the enquirer is prepared to put the necessary effort if only into (responding in the first place and into) adequately clarifying their question, before they dedicate the time to a detailed tutorial.
Questions that appear to demand a "Yes-or-No" answer are not infrequently simply un-answerable in the form they are posed; the correct answer lying instead in asking the correct question.
cool yer I uselessly say to some who is not being helpful to a question I can understand to stop being an ass and point them to what they need or I do it my self and if that person is not listening to good advice I say something to them my self.
as giving the answer is not always the correct answer.
I use to be a tutor so I had to learn how to teach people in the way they require for one of the papers I did so I got a good understanding of good and bad questions, but some of the people I use to teach had to be tort how to ask a good question, quite often me saying get that book there and read page what ever gave them all they needed to know
JimboZA:
Some people are rude and of no help, others are rude and help lots; some are better mannered and don't help either, while some are better mannered and help lots.
I understand what you say but in my opinion, rules only work if someone take care to read it, understand it and, at least, try to follow it. In my opinion, again, must of the rude answers (that senior members that don't follow 'that rule') are given to newbies members that don't follow any rule. Most of that rude answers that I see are given to people that don't care even to follow the main rule of this kind of places, that is: "before post, read the rules".
people that cross post (before I read this thread I saw someone that wrote the same post in 4 different places);
people that don't explain well the problem that are experimenting;
people that don't care of using code tags;
an people rude, that only care about, finding someone that writes code for he/she for free.
Beside that I don't see how:
(...)and after that some people don't come back(...)
can be a bad thing. It can have 2 explanations:
1- he/she never come back because he/she quit (because he don't care about this subject), I don't think this is a bad thing, because this person will be done something else better for he/she;
2- he/she find the answer by it self and learn how to get that information without someone tell he/she, and I don't think this is a bad thing either.
I am very new here and very new to electronics. I posted a question yesterday that was viewed 25 times and not one person could answer or give me a hint at an answer. Perhaps I've posted it in the wrong place, but even then, tell me about it so that I can ask the question in the right place.
So far, my experience on this forum is not a good one. I don't feel like I'm part of any community. So much for "open source" when no one is willing to help. What good is a forum as a hub of information or to draw on the knowledge of more experienced people than you, when no one is willing to share that information?
As was said earlier, there are no stupid questions. Only stupid answers... no response is just as stupid in my opinion.
So now you think you can demand an answer within 24 hours ?
To questions that have been asked a gazillion times over here ?
This is exactly what the replies like the one before yours are about.
Did you read this entire topic, or did you just dump your frustration for not being helped within 24 hours over here ?
No one willing to share ?
All information you have asked for is over here.
They are not in a single topic, because your questions are all over the place.
Get ready to do some work yourself instead of demanding someone to do it for you and have the finished product presented, including a manual and building instructions.
You'll be happy to see that an answer will be available in your topic in a moment.
From days of bulletin boards to today's forums nothing has changed in the fact that some are a know-it-all and every thing they do does not stink. And those who as so green they do not know how to frame the basic question.
And of course the greater portion in between.
The first you poke with a stick once in a while they roar and feel special and life goes on, the later you spend time with and put the extra effort to understand the real need and they grow and you do as well being better for the next post of interest.
Add to the fact that with these two extremes there is a world forum here and so methods of discussions and approaches are not always the same (right to left or left to right), but again reading and seeing other ideas and issues help make for growth.
I learned long ago to split the message in content (helpful/not) and form (rude/not). That also includes trying to understand what an answer intends to say, which is often as difficult as asking the right question. Since I do (try) that I spent less energy in a negative way ("the dark side") .
As the forum is a multi-cultural environment rudeness is multiple defined. A good read to really understand cultural differences is the work of Geert Hofstede - http://geert-hofstede.com/national-culture.html - Note that understanding something does not imply that you agree with it.
Brian83:
there are no stupid questions. Only stupid answers... no response is just as stupid in my opinion.
I'm not going to let that go un-challenged.
Remember that nobody is obliged to answer, it's not a help desk. You have no idea what anyone who may have opened your thread was doing at the time, and what went through their mind as they read it. It's not like you opened a ticket in a help desk and the agent who read it is obliged to respond because it's their job. I browse the forum at random times of day, in various frames of mind, sometimes I have an hour to spare, sometimes I'm heading for the car, sometimes the question appeals to me in some quirky way, sometimes I have no clue on the topic, sometimes I respond just to be in the thread so I get to see the answers which might help me. Sometimes the thread title appeals, and then the body doesn't.
If everyone who opened a thread was obliged to respond, even if to say "sorry, no idea", or "oops, wrong forum", or "I'm just leaving for work I'll look again tonight" or whatever, the forum would be flooded with nonsense posts.
So no, to say "no response is just as stupid in my opinion" is one of the most absurd things I've heard.
