Smallest battery for my project?

I have everything wired, but I'm stuck at powering. This is my project's configuration:

  • board: Adafruit Flora (3.3v);
  • 4 Neopixels + 1 on board;
  • BLE module;
  • BME280 sensor;
  • Pulse sensor;
  • 2 buttons;
  • 1 on'off switch.

The problem with the power is that the batteries I've tried are too big for my project.

The ideal would be to keep the configuration and use a coin battery, a CR2032.
It should work at least 8 hours and be rechargeable.

If is too much for a coin battery, I can cut some components, in this order:

  • Pulse sensor;
  • Neopixels;

So what would be the best approach in this situation?

Thanks in advance!

A quick read tells me that at full brightness each Neopixel can draw up to 60mA. Here:- Arduino Library Use | Adafruit NeoPixel Überguide | Adafruit Learning System

A Maxell 2032 rechargeable button cell has a capacity of 70mAh to 140mAh. You might have to drop the Neopixels if you must use a button cell. I haven't looked at the current consumption of the Flora, BLE module, BME280 sensor or pulse sensor, but for 8 hours operation dropping only the Neopixels might not even be enough.

Thanks OldSteve.

Flora draws 10 mA.
BLE draws 27 mA.
Pulse sensor draws 4 mA.
BME280 draws 4 mA.

Edit: fixed current consumption unit.

I think I'll drop the Pulse sensor, because the accuracy sucks anyway.

I'll need 41mAh in this case and thinking to use just 2 Neopixel at 25% brightness.

This means a constant draw of 70mAh.

For at least 8 hours of functionality, what's the smallest battery I could use?

I have the feeling is 560 :slight_smile:

george_i:
Thanks OldSteve.

Flora draws 10 mAh.
BLE draws 27 mAh.
Pulse sensor draws 4 mAh.
BME280 draws 4 mAh.

I think I'll drop the Pulse sensor, because the accuracy sucks anyway.

I'll need 41mAh in this case and thinking to use just 2 Neopixel at 25% brightness.

This means a constant draw of 70mAh.

For at least 8 hours of functionality, what's the smallest battery I could use?

I have the feeling is 560 :slight_smile:

The Rechargeable LIR3048 Coin Battery is rated at 230 mAh.
The NON-rechargeable Panasonic CR2354 is rated 560 mAh.

A huge difference in energy density.

Can you put two Rechargeable Coin Batteries in parallel using a pair of Low Vf Shottky Diodes?
Gives you twice the Milliamp-Hours.

How about an Ultra Thin ?
PowerStream
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george_i:
Flora draws 10 mAh.
BLE draws 27 mAh.
Pulse sensor draws 4 mAh.
BME280 draws 4 mAh.

Those aren't current values you're quoting, they're charge.

For example, the BME280 chip configured to run with the throttle wide open draws about 0.65mA of current. The value 4mAh would correspond to running at that current level for about 4mAh/0.65mA = 6 hours. Is that really what you meant?

If you add up the total average current for your entire system (mA) and multiply that by the number of hours (h) you would like the battery to last you'll have a first order estimate of the battery capacity (mAh) you'll need.

A large amount of energy can be saved if the processor and other components can sleep part of the time. See this post for how to proceed.

george_i:
This means a constant draw of 70mAh.
For at least 8 hours of functionality, what's the smallest battery I could use?
I have the feeling is 560 :slight_smile:

Even bigger than 560mAh. The 'true' capacity of a battery is related to it's rate of discharge. You need to check out the graphs in the datasheet of any battery you're considering.

If your figures are correct, you'll need a battery rated to have a capacity ≥560mAh 'at 70mA' current draw.
That will sometimes mean using a battery with a 'label' capacity 2-3 times the capacity that you need. That's worst-case.Luckily, lithium cells are better for high discharge rates than some other battery chemistries, so you probably won't actually need 2-3 times the capacity, but you'll almost certainly need >560mAh. Again, check those datasheets.

If I put 2 or more rechargeable coin batteries in series, can I recharge them as they are wired, or it can be done only one by one?

george_i:
If I put 2 or more rechargeable coin batteries in series, can I recharge them as they are wired, or it can be done only one by one?

They can be charged in series. Finding a suitable ready-made charger might be tricky though.

george_i:
If I put 2 or more rechargeable coin batteries in series, can I recharge them as they are wired, or it can be done only one by one?

Putting batteries in series does not, by itself, provide more milliamp-hours.
You will need to do more.

The difference between the stronger cell and the weaker cell
will increase with every charger / discharge cycle
unless you balance the two cells during recharge.

LiPo cells come in all shapes and sizes. (Well maybe not shapes.)

As others have pointed out putting rechargeable batteries in series makes them more difficult to charge. LiPo cells can be charged in parallel. There are a bunch of articles from reputable sources about charging LiPo cells in parallel.

I don't really see a need for parallel batteries. Just find a LiPo the size you need.

Thanks everyone.

Eventually I've decided that for the first version of this device to make possible to attach it to a belt instead of bracelet. So I can put a larger battery there. Perhaps will become a belt buckle :slight_smile: