Standalone Arduino on 6 AA: voltage drop from diode, ideas to circumvent?

oric_dan:
...but once you wire up a power source with the correct polarity, you can't plug it in backwards, after all.

I truly wish that were the case in my experience too :slight_smile:

Cookies:
I can't really think of a situation where low-side switching wouldn't work.

Excellent. I was concerned there might be occasions where you shouldn't use it but now you've said that, I've got far more N-channels in the kit and more options for small/cheap N's to by the looks of things too.

Thanks for the clarification, Geoff

strykeroz:

oric_dan:
...but once you wire up a power source with the correct polarity, you can't plug it in backwards, after all.

I truly wish that were the case in my experience too :slight_smile:

I'm assuming you're using the Power jack, and not hacking into the Vin header pin,
which is 50% gotcha, and 50% blew my Mega board to kingdom come.

oric_dan:
I'm assuming you're using the Power jack, and not hacking into the Vin header pin,
which is 50% gotcha, and 50% blew my Mega board to kingdom come.

Actually I've only trapped a real Arduino in two projects. I normally prototype on Arduino then flesh out a board around either ATMega or ATTiny for the final build. Plenty of opportunities to smoke stuff, all part of the fun :slight_smile:

Actually, all atmega's are soldered to veroboard and - for the moment - powered by 6 AA batteries. The work is done by students learning electronics. Mistakes will be made - the entire idea is learning to build and debug something - so the board goes through several debugging cycles, meaning connecting and disconnecting the power source many times. Reverse polarity protection has already shown a good choice on several occasions :wink:

CaptainJack:
Actually, all atmega's are soldered to veroboard and - for the moment - powered by 6 AA batteries. The work is done by students learning electronics. Mistakes will be made - the entire idea is learning to build and debug something - so the board goes through several debugging cycles, meaning connecting and disconnecting the power source many times. Reverse polarity protection has already shown a good choice on several occasions :wink:

Yeah, with students, you get all of Murphy's gotchas, and a few he never thought of
too. We see that around here everyday with noobees.

Hi again

Has anyone got a pet MOSFET that they use for these lower voltage reverse polarity protection challenges? Reason for asking is when I started to look in the parts I have on hand, my logic level MOSFETs that might be useful for protecting reverse polarity on a 5V system are either more expensive than the rest of the Bill of Materials for the project combined or, as in the case of the 2N7000 N-channel which are under 10c each and I have heaps of...actually appear to have a unreasonably high resistance, therefore a power loss which can be as bad as a diode.

The 2N7000 has a RDS(on) at VGS = 5 V, ID = 100 mA of 6 Ohms max. By my maths (which I'm hoping is flawed) that's a forward voltage of 0.6V. That doesn't appear to be much of a gain over a cheaper diode.

What MOSFET have you found for the 6V situation, Jack?

Geoff

strykeroz:
Has anyone got a pet MOSFET that they use for these lower voltage reverse polarity protection challenges? Reason for asking is when I started to look in the parts I have on hand, my logic level MOSFETs that might be useful for protecting reverse polarity on a 5V system are either more expensive than the rest of the Bill of Materials for the project combined or, as in the case of the 2N7000 N-channel which are under 10c each and I have heaps of...actually appear to have a unreasonably high resistance, therefore a power loss which can be as bad as a diode.

Power mosfets in TO220 packages are relatively expensive, but if you can accept an SMD package then there are plenty of low-cost devices available, e.g. http://uk.farnell.com/nxp/nx2301p/mosfet-p-ch-20v-2a-sot23/dp/1894738.

Telecommando:

Cookies:
You don't have to use a P channel MOSFET, see diagram C in attached image.

Perhaps I'm looking at this wrong, but shouldn't the Drain and Source be reversed in figure C?

No, in C, when the power is connected correctly the MOSFET will turn on and current will flow though the MOSFET backwards from S to D, bypassing the body diode, which is fine in this case, normally if the S and D are swapped and the MOSFET is turned off the body diode will conduct. If power is connected backwards the diode will block and since the MOSFET is now off that will also block.