wanderson:
fungus:
Yes, but we're not comparing the Pro-Mini with a 14-pin DIP, we're comparing the Pro-Mini with a 14-pin DIP on a PCB.But a 14-pin DIP (not on a PCB) is precisely the comparison you made earlier,
If we're being precise, I qualified it with "more or less" - because I was thinking of real world use by hobbyists. In real world use they both occupy approximately the same space.
wanderson:
My point is that someone who is not familiar with the size of the Pro mini might take your statement at face value.
The real danger in my imprecision wasn't that a newbie might read it, the real danger was that a curmudgeon might read it.
wanderson:
the ISP can be included in that space on the reverse side of the board
Doubling (or tripling) the 3D volume?
wanderson:
I don't disagree that the Pro Mini makes a useful substitute for nearly all hobbiest uses they would put the tiny series to work; however, not everyone is a hobbyist, and there are many reasons that the Pro mini would be inappropriate to replace the tiny series.
If you're a professional who makes stuff by the thousand the size comparison doesn't apply because you won't be using a Pro Mini or a 14-pin DIP.
The surface mount Tiny84 is a lot cheaper than the surface mount Mega328 (less than half the price) so that's obviously the chip to use for things that are manufactured by the thousand.
OTOH, would somebody who uses surface mount chips and makes stuff by the thousand be using the Arduino IDE? (which is sort of what the original question was about...)