I think it does.
If you develop something great and show it off here you are greeted.
If you say that you want to make money out off it, you're out. And off..
Why?
How do you people here make a living?
You're employed? How does your employer make his living and pay your salary?
Things can be open source if you contribute to the originator.
If you just rip it you're feeding off someone else?
I hate to feed the troll, but....
There are plenty of people on this forum that make money on things Arduino related. Maybe your attitude is the problem?
Or did you ask someone to teach you how to make something for free so that you could sell it?
A man worked 20 years for an oil refinery, on his 20th year he came to the boss with an ingenious plan he cooked up in a day that saved the company $1.2B in lost expenditure. That same year he lost his job & with escalating debts, he was in a mind state, that he poisoned his wife, carbon monoxide his children & shot himself.
If he had bothered to calm down, he could of probably proved it was his idea that saved the company or if he had waited, he may have had another great idea.
I believe he expected this idea he shared, he would receive a raise / a promotion or some financial reward, but it didn't. So he was in a rut, believing he was owed.
The saddest thing is that it happened.
Have you ever seen a Kickstarter / Indiegogo campaign where they share the Hardware & Software , while the campaign is running?
There is more than one open source licensing scheme.
You may license your designs and software to be freely shared, but not freely modified & speculate in your agreement that your product are only for individuals & not for mass reproduction / sale.
Expectations
What any artist expects, is not necessarily what they will receive.
janost:
If you develop something great and show it off here you are greeted.
Uh huh.
If you say that you want to make money out off it, you're out. And off..
Prove it.
JB_AU:
You may license your designs and software to be freely shared, but not freely modified & speculate in your agreement that your product are only for individuals & not for mass reproduction / sale.
I think you mean "stipulate" in your agreement, but you could look at it the other way!
speculate in your agreement that your product are only for individuals
stipulate in your agreement that your product is only for individuals
janost:
I think it does.If you develop something great and show it off here you are greeted.
If you say that you want to make money out off it, you're out. And off..
Why?
Please show us one example.
I know I always(often) ask people to share the final code if I helped someone or when I see a great prototype/product.
I ask this to help people in the future with similar/same question.
People are free to do so or not.
How do you people here make a living?
You're employed? How does your employer make his living and pay your salary?
I have a full time job (takes 10-11hrs/day), I do projects in my spare time. (I do not watch TV - < 2hrs/week)
And if time permits I try to help people out here on the forum, mostly SW.
Things can be open source if you contribute to the originator.
Not necessary
If you just rip it you're feeding off someone else?
Can you elaborate on this, what you mean as this is I assume the core of your "anger"
Go up one forum and find this page.
That was started yesterday, and finished today in a link to a $ 50,- indigogo project.
I'm not interested in it or any other of his projects, certainly not after OP's rant today (which wasn't the first time i saw comments like this from him).
As there are no answers to the aforementioned thread, and one comment that seems to be invisible on indigogo, there's no way of telling what set OP to his ranting rampage.
MAS3:
Go up one forum and find this page.
That was started yesterday, and finished today in a link to a $ 50,- indigogo project.
I'm not interested in it or any other of his projects, certainly not after OP's rant today (which wasn't the first time i saw comments like this from him).
As there are no answers to the aforementioned thread, and one comment that seems to be invisible on indigogo, there's no way of telling what set OP to his ranting rampage.
The rampage will definitely not help the ramp of the indiegogo project.
I would say: very bad timing.
Jantje
The OSS community is somewhat susceptible to holier-than-thou syndrome... Just read the comments on the Make magazine's blog posts. "Hey here's a great product we found!" "It's not free! There's no source code / schematics! BOOO!"
There will always be those who take the principle of sharing to the degree of religion.
But, as usual, it's unwise to pin the fervent ramblings of a few on the entire community. I have no issues whatsoever with someone trying to make a living. I like free (speech and beer) stuff, especially if it means I can use it with no restrictions. But if that isn't the deal, well alright then... I bill for my time as a net admin, after all.
MAS3:
Go up one forum and find this page.
That was started yesterday, and finished today in a link to a $ 50,- indigogo project.
I'm not interested in it or any other of his projects, certainly not after OP's rant today (which wasn't the first time i saw comments like this from him).
As there are no answers to the aforementioned thread, and one comment that seems to be invisible on indigogo, there's no way of telling what set OP to his ranting rampage.
It appears that his rage was caused by there being no answers to his thread. The poor thing doesn't like being ignored. He should get over it.
Henry_Best:
The poor thing doesn't like being ignored.
No reply is not necessarily the same thing as being ignored. 208 views after just two days is actually a good showing for Exhibition.
If you put your code up on the forum It get's instantly copied.
And not only that, people demand support on it.
If you don't show your code here you get pinpointers about what open source is and should be.
Not everything great can be free of charge.
And perhaps this is not the right forum for trying to sell hardware.
If you put your code up on the forum It get's instantly copied.
And not only that, people demand support on it.
You can simply put a disclaimer in it that people may use the code as is without support.
You are not obliged to give support with such a disclaimer.
I have placed quite some code on the forum/playgorund/github and the number of support questions is 1 per 2 weeks max.
That can be because it is not used, but I hope because the libs are quite mature both in terms of readability, functionality and so.
If you don't show your code here you get pinpointers about what open source is and should be.
Yes they ask, and you can explain in one line why you don't do it ("I have an NDA").
Just write that on the top of the code in the comments.
People will accept that.
Other people also tell when they are under NDA e.g. - Simple angle measurement - #8 by system - Sensors - Arduino Forum -
I disclosed parts of projects (under NDA) in the form of reusable libraries that did not tell anything about the project and were of course technically not the "core" of the project. e.g. - Arduino Playground - HomePage -.
And yes there are zillions of lines of code I do not disclose
Not everything great can be free of charge.
100% true, even most small things need to be paid for.
Not always in money, but still have a price it just depends on the business model .(e.g adds in apps)
And perhaps this is not the right forum for trying to sell hardware.
A forum is primary a place to discuss things and exchange information since the Greek(?) invented them 2 or 3 millis millennia ago
If you want to sell your hardware you need a market.
The forum provides the products and services section for that.
Feel free to promote your product in that section (once, and additional e.g. after updates or fixes, just don't spam)
The exhibition/gallery section is not the "commercial market" section.
It is a place to show what you have accomplished. imho more to inspire people
if you want to make money out of a project you need compliance and certification in almost all part of the world, and getting things done right need a lot of aperwork that can vary a lot.
normally if someone come here and want to make money out of a project does not even have a clue about this and what the project need.
And here you cross the thin line between HELPING people, and WORKING FOR FREE
lesto:
if you want to make money out of a project you need compliance and certification in almost all part of the world, and getting things done right need a lot of aperwork that can vary a lot.normally if someone come here and want to make money out of a project does not even have a clue about this and what the project need.
And here you cross the thin line between HELPING people, and WORKING FOR FREE
Pft. I just have this:
we just need to make a "compliance in a shield", let's kickstart it!
lesto:
"aperwork"
You asked for it 
I think you are basically correct that if you want professional level support, looking at your proprietary code under NDA and helping fix your problems, then this community is probably pretty useless. The best you can do is probably ask for paid help in the "Gigs and Collaborations" section (or whittle your problem down to code that you're willing to expose, and ask about that. Which usually works pretty well, though the whittling can be painful.)
Worse, I don't think that there exists a company (ala Redhat for linux) that offers that kind of support for the Arduino environment. The Arduino "company" doesn't really provide it (AFAIK); you can try your luck with Atmel if you have cpu-specific, avr-gcc, or avr-libc specific questions. But my experience is that they're pretty dependent on the OSSW community as well when it comes to software. Arduino just isn't a professional development environment, and it's a mistake to expect professional level support from it. (Alas, there are many for-profit development environments from undoubtably-professinoally companies that don't have any better support.) You might try one of the smaller more value-added (and less OSSW/HW evenagelical) vendors (PJRC comes to mind.)
Of course, most people who WANT this level of support aren't prepared to pay what it costs. Non OSSW IDE suites can cost upward of $5000 (+ maintenance fees), and SW consultants upwards of $50/h (plus expenses, with a minimum.)
Learning to live with crappy support is part of the "professional high-tech HW/SW development" skill-set. (Want to fix it? Good luck! All the for-profit compiler vendors I know of are having EXTREMELY tough times competing with "free" gcc environments. Even the ones with reasonably priced offerings. See "no one is willing to pay for it.")
arduino's certification aren't suited for embedding inside a professional project, you'll have to certify it again for it, so you'll probably end up with your own board, that maybe is based on arduino schematics, but it is your design, your fault, and your problem