trust ebay new arduino for beginner?

i m not sure why the range price on Arduino UNO R3 . I already know that China or Hong Kong is cheaper price than American currently market. Is worth purchase from China even they are clone Arduino? Would Arduino UNO R3 have software ready for beginner?

Whichever route you take, please do not purchase a board from eBay that displays the Arduino logo / trademark.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Arduino-Uno-R3-/300823638330?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item460a7c713a ...is a perfect example. By displaying the Arduino logo on the board, the vendor implies the board to be authenticate. It is not. Please don't purchase this board.

ironheartbj18: i m not sure why the range price on Arduino UNO R3 . I already know that China or Hong Kong is cheaper price than American currently market. Is worth purchase from China even they are clone Arduino? Would Arduino UNO R3 have software ready for beginner?

Go to the Installation and Troubleshooting part of this forum. Read a few posts. You will soon see that if you buy a clone Arduino for a low price, you will soon be on the forum asking why it doesn't work.

if you buy from china then go directly for mega 2560.

you get them for 17$ http://www.ebay.de/itm/190814363717?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

its just as ready as any other arduino/clone

Go to the Installation and Troubleshooting part of this forum. Read a few posts. You will soon see that if you buy a clone Arduino for a low price, you will soon be on the forum asking why it doesn't work

could you point me to some posts? I see a lot of posts with clones, but not where the clone is the origin of the problem. on the other hand i find posts about a not working bootloader, then 5 replies if its an original, in the end it is and still not working...

http://arduino.cc/forum/index.php/topic,150421.0.html http://arduino.cc/forum/index.php/topic,148037.0.html http://arduino.cc/forum/index.php/topic,155569.0.html

Whichever route you take, please do not purchase a board from eBay that displays the Arduino logo / trademark.

As a matter of curiosity, how can you tell this is not authentic? What was the tip off? jolphil

The short answer is yes. Not necessarily from China though. While my peripheral stuff has come from all over, even from really weird places like the USA, all my Arduinos have come from Australia. You just need to trawl for the deal that suits you best and not worry over all this nonsense about eBay stuff being duds. I don't recall any firm evidence of that.

Arduinos are an open architecture device and clones are a legitimate part of the scene. This is much the same as PCs, which were once long ago called IBM PCs. I can't remember when I last saw one made by IBM.

I have five Arduinos bought through eBay, four Megas which were bought with an Ethernet shield included, and a Uno R3. Two Megas make no pretention about being "genuine" Arduino and they are fine. Both the final Megas and the Uno unexpectedly came with all the logos, white paint, and "made in Italy" to suggest they are not clones, and there is nothing to suggest they are not what they purport to be.

The only thing that counts is that they came at the right price and, not only do they all look, walk, and quack, like an Arduino but, clone or otherwise, they all work in the manner expected of them.

jolphil:

Whichever route you take, please do not purchase a board from eBay that displays the Arduino logo / trademark.

As a matter of curiosity, how can you tell this is not authentic? What was the tip off? jolphil

I'm also curious about this, especially since it is shipped from the US, not china.

This is the cheapest authentic UNO R3 that I know of: http://www.microcenter.com/product/392614/Arduino_Uno_Rev_3

$14.99 and it's been verified that it is authentic. Don't buy improperly marked clones, whether they work or not.

EDIT: BTW, "trust" and "e-bay" are mutually exclusive terms.

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Whichever route you take, please do not purchase a board from eBay that displays the Arduino logo / trademark.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Arduino-Uno-R3-/300823638330?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item460a7c713a ...is a perfect example. By displaying the Arduino logo on the board, the vendor implies the board to be authenticate. It is not. Please don't purchase this board.

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What makes you think that one is fake? It's in the proper box with the seal and it "appears" to come with the proper packing inserts.

afremont: [quote author=Coding Badly link=topic=155946.msg1168748#msg1168748 date=1364027849]

Whichever route you take, please do not purchase a board from eBay that displays the Arduino logo / trademark.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Arduino-Uno-R3-/300823638330?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item460a7c713a ...is a perfect example. By displaying the Arduino logo on the board, the vendor implies the board to be authenticate. It is not. Please don't purchase this board.

What makes you think that one is fake? It's in the proper box with the seal and it "appears" to come with the proper packing inserts. [/quote] from that page;

US Stock Country of Manufacture Italy Arduino-compatible UNO R3 board

Arduino team start to make it own compatible board. very funny!

other way to think, is the price. Arduino has dealer at China and sell board to Chinese edu, gov customer. the price is 3 time or more higher than one from HK, or shenzhen China via ebay.

So you think they faked the box, seal and packing inserts along with the board? Then they sell it for 40% more than the authorized dealer I showed? I can buy them all day for $14.99 each w/no shipping cost, plus I'm quite sure that I could get a quantity discount if I tried. I could then sell them on e-bay for $21.99 w/free shipping and still make money.

Arduino is open source software, is open source hardware. but Arduino is copyrighted. The board has copyright fragment problem, or fake copyright/trademark.

China import tax;- the Arduino's dealer at China sell the board is 30-100% higher than US price. if it sell the board less than US price then it face import tax scams problem.

ironheartbj18: i m not sure why the range price on Arduino UNO R3 . I already know that China or Hong Kong is cheaper price than American currently market. Is worth purchase from China even they are clone Arduino? Would Arduino UNO R3 have software ready for beginner?

If you purchase from the larger vendors on ebay with good ratings like below, you will probably have no issues. Italy itself is not known for its electronics manufacturing.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Funduino-Mega-2560-ATmega2560-16AU-Board-Arduino-compatible-Free-USB-Cable-/251143019741?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a794a5cdd

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ethernet-Shield-W5100-For-Arduino-2009-UNO-Mega-1280-2560-/270955738702?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f1638764e

ironheartbj18: i m not sure why the range price on Arduino UNO R3 . I already know that China or Hong Kong is cheaper price than American currently market. Is worth purchase from China even they are clone Arduino? Would Arduino UNO R3 have software ready for beginner?

if I were you, I will buy first Arduino UNO R3 board from authorized dealers. That I did. My first uno, mega, leonardo ... all of them from authorized dealers.

few issues here;-

  1. Your own hourly rate, say 40$/h. by save 20$ but waste more than half hour for troubleshooting, then no go.

  2. I guess most clone manufacture will buy at least one authentic Arduino board for base or help troubleshooting.

  3. support open source and support Arduino. We need Arduino team add new board/product. ( so does clone manufacture! :))

jolphil:

Whichever route you take, please do not purchase a board from eBay that displays the Arduino logo / trademark.

As a matter of curiosity, how can you tell this is not authentic? What was the tip off?

Authentic Arduinos are only sold by authorized distributors who have never been spotted selling on eBay. In other words, if it is on eBay the chances that it is authentic are essentially zero.

Nick_Pyner: I don't recall any firm evidence of that.

In that case you need to spend more time helping people in the Installation & Troubleshooting section.

Nick_Pyner: Both the final Megas and the Uno unexpectedly came with all the logos, white paint, and "made in Italy" to suggest they are not clones, and there is nothing to suggest they are not what they purport to be.

They are counterfeit. The problem is that there are people who (justifiably) care who made the board. By supporting companies that create counterfeit boards you make it increasingly difficult to obtain genuine boards; you are essentially driving Arduino out of business.

The only thing that counts is that they came at the right price...

Oh the irony of that post here on this forum.

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jolphil:

Whichever route you take, please do not purchase a board from eBay that displays the Arduino logo / trademark.

As a matter of curiosity, how can you tell this is not authentic? What was the tip off?

Authentic Arduinos are only sold by authorized distributors who have never been spotted selling on eBay. In other words, if it is on eBay the chances that it is authentic are essentially zero.

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Have you ever seen a fake with the box, seal, and packing inserts? Every fake that I've seen came in a static bag, but that doesn't prove anything either.

EDIT: Would this be fake too: http://www.ebay.com/itm/SparkFun-Inventor-s-Kit-for-Arduino-/281056711538?pt=Educational_Toys_US&hash=item4170491372

By supporting companies that create counterfeit boards you make it increasingly difficult to obtain genuine boards; you are essentially driving Arduino out of business.

The irony of that is that most of the current clones are probably just as good (if not better) than the "genuine" boards. Also, the inexpensive clones probably play a significant part in the current popularity of the arduino. More users lower production cost, stimulate the production of add on boards, and increases the amount of user developed code and projects.

As a matter of curiosity, how can you tell this is not authentic? What was the tip off?

John_S:
I’m also curious about this, especially since it is shipped from the US, not china.

What makes you think that one is fake? It’s in the proper box with the seal and it “appears” to come with the proper packing inserts.

They told you…

Arduino-compatible UNO R3 board

They lied about the authenticity of the board to make you believe the board is genuine and then told you they lied to cover their ass.

So you think they faked the box, seal and packing inserts along with the board?

Wouldn’t be the first time.