Understanding Solenoids 5v vs 12v

Hi all,

Just some clarification here, if you could please....

I require a micro 4mm stroke solenoid to be used similar to a starter for an engine... the solenoid needs to push a small gear in/out to mate with a driver gear and run an assembly.

From my research I have gathered:

  • 5v Solenoid requires: Resistor, Mosfet, Diode
  • 12 Solenoid requires: Relay

I'm looking for most cost effective direction. But I'm not certain the pros/cons of using a 5v vs a 12v solenoid with my Arduino Mega 2560. If the Mega can power a solenoid with 5v, why would one use a 12v Solenoid? Do 5v and 12v solenoids have the same strength?

Any feedback is most welcome.

Thank you so much,
Evan

What you have gathered is wrong. Either voltage of solenoid could be switched using a relay or a MOSFET

It can't. The Mega is not a power supply

thanks UKHeliBob.

OK, understood kindof :o)

FYI, I'm using a RAMPS board with the Mega, not sure this matters?

What factors would I consider in determining to use a 4mm stroke 5v or 12v solenoid?

And what could the considerations be to use a Resistor/Mosfet/Diode vs a Relay?

Your first consideration should be to find a solenoid that do what you want, whatever its voltage. If solenoids using both voltages are available then the next consideration will be how they are going to be powered. This depends on the voltage and current available.

It may, for instance, be sensible to power the whole project using 12V if that is what you have available or 5V if that is what you have. Either way the solenoid will not be driven or powered directly from the Arduino, hence the use of a relay or MOSFET. The relay or MOSFET decision will depend on factors such as current required to drive the solenoid, space available and relative cost

Unfortunately there is not a definitive answer to this and it may even come down to things like the MOSFET being a silent solution, not that it will matter in your case

ok, thank you.

If MOSFET is quieter that is a good direction.

Is there a lower cost solution between the two routes?

I'm presuming that because the RAMPS board is powered by 12v (for A4988 steppers) could the RAMPS board also power the 12v solenoid or even a 5v solenoid? Or does the solenoid still require its own power source direct from the PSU?

Would the 12v solenoid be more powerful than a 5v, is there a strength consideration? or is it based on the amps required?

Am I making any sense at all :o) .... still kindof new to all this.

thanks so much!
Evan

I know very little about solenoids either but I suggest that you start with

How do you know that it will do what you want ?

  • What distance is the solenoid required to move ?
  • How much force is required to move whatever it is attached to ?
  • Will the solenoid be required to be held in position at both ends of its travel ?

Solenoids are like resistors. The also produce heat. How often will you power your solenoid and how long will it be powered each time? If either time is very long, you will need to be sure to cool the solenoid.

OK you have the stroke so next how much force is required?

The stroke is made from one end position to the other when energization occurs. The end position in one direction is therefore the start position for the other opposite direction. Solenoid force (F) is the useful force developed in the direction of the stroke after allowing for the fric- tional loss .

The force will be part of determining the solenoid coil current and how you drive the solenoid.

Ron

I did a project a few years ago using camera shutter solenoids. They were so weak, they would only work on camera shutters, So project changed to a small DC motor and a screw on the motor shaft to do the same work. Just took longer to operate.

good to know and consider, thank you!

on for maybe 3 seconds every 15sec to 20sec.

ok, stroke and force

I ordered a few to play around with, will figure how strong they are

hope they can at lease push a small gear LOL!

thanks for you help and direction!

awesome!

held in one position on the push for a few seconds, hopefully strong enough to mate the gears

the tester 4mm solenoids 12v are arriving soon.

Does the solenoid shaft spin, could it spin with the spur gear and rotate with the mated gear? or would that damage the solenoid

thanks,
Evan

Possible, but unlikely I would have thought

If it does, fix your design right now!

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