Once again, I never said you needed to help. I consulted a FORUM to see if SOMEONE would help. I am just shocked by your response to this device. And nope, I don't see the problem with issuing a shock to people, especially when that person is myself, and especially when the device can be easily removed. You're treating this like it's a lethal device (which I just find interesting to say the least) when the collar was designed for puppies.