Virtual Reality: Haptic virtual mass via cables

Imagine a cable with a handle you can pull. On the cable is a tension-measuring device, perhaps a very simple version of this:

I imagine the core of this thing is just a load cell with strain gauges, like you find in a bathroom scale.

At the opposite end of the cable is a winch. The winch is connected to the motor by a worm drive, so no matter how hard you pull, the cable is not going to budge unless the motor feeds more cable out.

The DC motor is controlled by an Arduino via a solid-state relay. The arduino takes the tension reading on the cable, and simulates a virtual mass. This is going to become a lot for an Arduino to handle, so we'll do the processing on a laptop and simply control the Arduino with Firmata.

You give the program mass, static friction, and kinetic friction parameters.

Start pulling on the handle with increasing force. Assume the static friction force is greater or equal to the kinetic friction force. Once you apply enough force to overcome static friction, the cable is paid out at a velocity that's dependent on the tension and the virtual mass which you fed into the program. And if you stop, the

Ok so this is a sort of boring idea so far. You can pull a virtual mass until you run out of cable or until you back up into a wall. But: what if you also had a second cable, winch, motor, and tension sensor system behind you, connected to that same handle? Now you can move the virtual block around in both directions, back and forth, a virtual Sisyphus. :stuck_out_tongue: We'd also need the cable to retract when it's slack.

Still bored? What if you had 4 cables, all opposed in the shape of a methane molecule:

All 4 cables are connected to the one handle. In this configuration, any force you apply in 3 dimensions can be restrained or allowed by the cables. With some more programming, you could add gravity and then move around a virtual mass in 3 dimensions. You can lift virtual weights, manipulate 3d objects.

Ok, double that, add more physics. You can have 2 of these methane shapes, one for each hand. Now you have blobby Bomberman-like hands, no fingers, but you can manipulate virtual objects with your blobby hands in 3d space with force feedback.

Do you know any projects that have done something like this? There's gotta be something like this on the internet, right?
Would it work in the 1-motor case? What about in the extrapolated 8-motor case?

What are the limits to this system?

Arduino processing power doesn't matter, we can use Firmata and do the processing on a computer.
Arduino throughput does matter, because it still has to relay the sensor and actuator signals.

Sounds interesting. The limit would certainly be the number of cables you are willing to strangle yourself with.
I understand the appeal for such a device for one direction, using one or just maybe two cables, but for 3D I would not go in this direction.
I'd rather deal with a robotic arm with load and torque sensors


Like this?

Tom..... :slight_smile:

Ok, double that, add more physics.

You can never have too much physics. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.

@Tom those kinds of cameras were a big part of the inspiration for this idea. I was once persuaded to go to a football game, and all I did was watch the camera hover very fluidly along and above the field.

@Shpaget any ideas for making/buying a torque-sensitive robotic arm that can resist "human-magnitude" forces for less than ~$1000/pair?

@Nick so very true.

Did some work with one of the original developers of cable cam (one of the original 'flying' camera systems, he won a technical oscar for it). We built a smaller home brew version for the local market (outside of USA).

Control was via a Kuper system though, quite basic sequence running - also the camera controller had tilt, pan and left/right/up/down relative to the camera aspect, basically a bit of kinematics and generalised coordinate changes. No haptics though!

Haven't thought on it much - but initial though was why four cables? Why not three from above and the errr... 'carbon atom' has it's own mass itself? The other three cables can basically act as sensors, kind of like a puppet system.

King Kong on stage had tension sensors on it's rig:

But they were more as a safeguard keeping two systems in touch with each other (the main automation that moved Kong as a body about stage vs the animatronic system of Kong himself that was on structured in an abstract sense within that).

Even there the controllers had no haptics.

I was also thinking just a mass, and perhaps a vision system - but yeah, then you don't get friction/drag so much

@1:1 What challenges did you run into when building the flying cam? I have been thinking of making a flying cam toy.

For my crazy design the carbon atom has 4 cables because, though the carbon atom has its own (small) mass, if you have 4 cables you can give it as much mass as the motors are able to simulate.

Did you work on the King Kong system? That looks like an amazing project. How does this rig work?

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