what's behind all of this kindness ?

So i was reading a book the other day , and it says that if a human does something and does not expect a material return from it (directly or indirectly) then that person is not mentally normal . so for the majority of people , if someone does a good deed or helps someone else in most cases he is expecting something in return , weather it's psychological or physical .

so what about all of these kind experts on the forums ? what are they expecting from helping others for free ?

amine2:
So i was reading a book the other day , and

what about finding a job and/or subscribe to an university course?
physics? maths? umm? good books there, good university courses

dally: what about finding a job and/or subscribe to an university course? physics? maths? umm? good books there, good university courses

i am a med-intern i do guard shifts twice a week , i think i deserve to read in my spare time . and even when i don't have shifts , i do free-lance programming .

what are they expecting from helping others for free ?

I am no expert, but my answer is: It makes me feel useful.

amine2: So i was reading a book the other day , and it says that if a human does something and does not expect a material return from it (directly or indirectly) then that person is not mentally normal .

What book?

That is a very strong statement.

My own view is that people do things to make themselves feel better. And that certainly does not require a material return - but there is some form of return.

There seems to be a wide range of things that make people feel better - from Mother Teresa to Isis butchers. Money is somewhere in there too - and helping people with their Arduino problems.

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groundfungus: I am no expert, but my answer is: It makes me feel useful.

thank you very much for your honest answer Sir .

Robin2: What book?

That is a very strong statement.

My own view is that people do things to make themselves feel better. And that certainly does not require a material return - but there is some form of return.

There seems to be a wide range of things that make people feel better - from Mother Teresa to Isis butchers. Money is somewhere in there too - and helping people with their Arduino problems.

...R

here is the book Robin :

http://livre.fnac.com/a254434/Elsa-Triolet-Le-Cheval-roux-ou-les-Intentions-humaines

i don't know where to find it in english though .

yes , so the return would then be psychological it seems .

No such thing as altruism, because mirror neurons+conditioning.

Forum rep, showing your smarts, being a "good person" qed.

Robin2: people do things to make themselves feel better.

well, it happens in the universe of the Next Generation of Star Trek where the technology is awesome, robots will cover our duties and people will be free to do things only to make themselves feel better

Qdeathstar: Forum rep, showing your smarts, being a "good person" qed.

frankly, if someone needs a forum to feel better (e.g. I am useful because I post) it means he/she has no social life, and he/she'd better log out

Robin2: What book?

That is a very strong statement.

It is a very old 'anthropomorphic' question. Can altruism truly exist? To cut a long discussion short. Probably not, as helping another person will indirectly contribute to the survival of the species.

My own view is that people do things to make themselves feel better. And that certainly does not require a material return - but there is some form of return.

There seems to be a wide range of things that make people feel better - from Mother Teresa to Isis butchers. Money is somewhere in there too - and helping people with their Arduino problems.

Feeling better is a material return. The material in question being a very small dose of some very powerful hormones.

amine2: here is the book Robin : http://livre.fnac.com/a254434/Elsa-Triolet-Le-Cheval-roux-ou-les-Intentions-humaines

Elsa Triolet was the companion of Louis Aragon, poet and communist philosopher. Elsa was also communist philosopher . You're sure to have all understood what she wanted to express? Do not you think that's a critical analysis of a lifestyle she wanted to denounce?

MattS-UK: survival of the species.

That is just an accidental by-product of survival of the individual. Read Richard Dawkins' The Selfish Gene. He also has a chapter called "Nice Guys Finish First"

@amine2, thanks for the link. I'm afraid I have spent the last 46 years forgetting what little French I learned in school.

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For me, reading about other's problems makes me think of how to solve them (these problems need to appeal to my interests of course). I'm hoping it will educate me too, next to the answer i might come up with to help the questioner.

dally: frankly, if someone needs a forum to feel better (e.g. I am useful because I post) it means he/she has no social life, and he/she'd better log out

I think that is rediculous. How is posting on a forum to be useful any differnt than posting selfies on Facebook and making raunchy snapchat threads. They both make you feel better.

Oh yeah, posting on a forum is actually helpful.

MAS3 pretty well covers my thoughts. They reckon you have to use it or loose it when it comes to the brain. This helps my brain!

According to the apparent thoughts of a newspaper letter writer some years ago, the only reason we do not kill, steal or rape etc is our fear of not entering the after life. This rules out altruism. We only do things to reap the reward of eternal afterlife. Absolute rubbish!

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Well, that guy is certainly guilty. If God is the only thing standing between him and becoming the most prolific serial killer in history, it's time to take him to the loony bin...

amine2: here is the book Robin :

http://livre.fnac.com/a254434/Elsa-Triolet-Le-Cheval-roux-ou-les-Intentions-humaines

i don't know where to find it in english though .

yes , so the return would then be psychological it seems .

Dang.

I was gonna guess The Art of the Deal.

What flavour? I may need to try harder.

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