Computer slowing down

I recently got a new room a few months back that had worked as a IT consultant for a university. At the time I had norton antivirus protection, but he said they were now just running on customer loyalty and they didn't really block anything. He uninstalled it for me.

Lately my computer has been running slow. Its constantly making a noise like it's loading. I've only been using it for programming, though I did download Irfanview so I could crop pictures down to the acceptable size so I could post them on here.

To my understanding there are a ton of programming experts on this site, and i'm just curious if yall use any kind of computer protection software? If so, which is recommended?

I wouldn't keep valuable documents on a networked PC without some sort of protection.

  • Projects & code
  • Personal info, passwords, banking info...
  • Vintage porn

Does your network have access to the internet. You may loose it all or have it stolen one day.

You do not even need to visit a dodgy website to contract a virus, according to avast, around 70% of infections distributed from websites are from trusted sites that have been hacked. You may also share USB drives, have out of date software, the list goes on.

Your antivirus isn't to protect your mate, or the local network infrastructure. Its simply a way of preventing unwanted things from having access to your computer.

I use Avast, and have used Comodo, but I'm also privy to many free tools available like ComboFix and others.
You can't rely on a single product, however you should have at least one.

Webroot SecureAnywhere.

Norton is crap. We gave up on it years ago.

I recently got a new room a few months back that had worked as a IT consultant for a university.

I don't understand this part. A room worked as a consultant?

As for protecting yourself, first I would make backups. One of the more insidious attacks these days is where your entire drive is encrypted, and you are invited to pay hundreds of dollars to get the decryption key.

At least with a backup, made regularly, you haven't lost everything. Keep the backup offline. Rotate backups. Don't click on links in emails. Particularly ones that warn you about how your bank account details have been compromised and you have to "verify" your username and password.

Norton is crap. We gave up on it years ago.

Yeah, that was pretty much the "nice" translated version of what the room mate said.

Webroot SecureAnywhere.

Thank you, I'll look into it!

You can't rely on a single product, however you should have at least one.

I don't have the funding for multiple products

according to avast, around 70% of infections distributed from websites are from trusted sites that have been hacked.

Hope this isn't likely to happen to the forum.

I wouldn't keep valuable documents on a networked PC without some sort of protection.

  • Projects & code
  • Personal info, passwords, banking info...
  • Vintage porn

I do have Ghostery downloaded, and use private browsing. I don't have anything valuable on the computer, I just don't want to have to buy a new one. This constant loading sound has me a little worried. It's like a programming morse code that never stops.

I don't understand this part. A room worked as a consultant?

Room mate. Sorry it's 2:00 am here. Need to go to bed.

One of the more insidious attacks these days is where your entire drive is encrypted, and you are invited to pay hundreds of dollars to get the decryption key.

Theres nothing on my computer that would be worth paying for, but if this happened can you at least reboot the computer to factory settings? Even if that meant loosing everything, could it be done? I think I have some sort of cloud backup program installed. I'll have to ask the room mate what it's called. I'm not sure if it stores things automatically, or if I have to do something for that to work.

You can always go back to initial setting (although it helps to have the install disk, which these days is not often provided - there may be an option to create one).

Let's put it this way: anything you don't want to lose: back up.

Thomas499:
I don't have the funding for multiple products

Pretty much all providers have a free version. And from experience, its the free & non-commercial tools that detect the bad viruses. The commercial ones are pretty much useless with DDay or drive by attacks.

There are enough different products that you could probably run a few years worth of trials if installed one at a time.

You also do not want multiple products running at once, they'll both scan the same things slowing you down even more. And they may conflict as the operations of antivirus software is quite similar to that of actual viruses.

This constant loading sound has me a little worried.

Clear %TEMP%. Windows does not do that automatically.

Check Task Manager for constantly running processes. Typically, when you are idle (not typing or mousing) the computer should be idle.

Hi, go wake you roomie up, when he uninstalled Norton, did he put anything on you comuter to protect it?
If not he is not worth his salt as a tech, Norton is better than nothing.
A computer tech would not leave a computer unprotected.
At least put AVG on, its free.
I notice you said.

that had worked as a IT consultant for a university.

Now we know why he doesn't work there anymore.

Tom.... :slight_smile:

  1. Firewall - this should be locked down to the absolute minimum access to outsiders (ie none at all)

  2. Use a good browser (not IE), and configure the security settings properly.

  3. Desert Windows and move to an OS that's less plagued by malware? Never once had malware on Linux
    in 15 years. Its no guarantee, but the scale of the problem is several orders of magnitude less in practice.

MarkT:
2) Desert Windows and move to an OS that's less plagued by malware? Never once had malware on Linux
in 15 years. Its no guarantee, but the scale of the problem is several orders of magnitude less in practice.

Actually, unless by some miracle everyone switches over the *nix - something I've been waiting for since I switched in 1995 - it's almost certainly a guarantee that you won't have virus issues if you move to *nix.

Simply because virus authors write viruses (and other malware) for the platforms which have popularity - which currently are Windows, and to a lesser extent, Mac OSX. Beyond that, you have IOS (iPhone, etc) and Android (which is Linux-based - so that should be kept in mind) - both of which have been targets of malware, but only at a very small fraction of "popular" desktop operating systems.

Linux as a desktop OS doesn't even register - while viruses and malware have been developed for Linux, nothing has really propagated, and most users (once they get over the learning curve) aren't naive enough to be running as root constantly (nor su'd into root) - and so any potential problem likely would only affect the /home directory of the user. Even there, not much can happen as long as the user doesn't dabble in untrusted random binaries downloaded from random places (and most software for *nix comes from vetted repos, or is compiled from source - which should be vetted by the user where possible - or at least researched to determine that it isn't some form of malware in disguise - I've never seen this, but it is certainly possible to occur).

Beyond that - backups are your friend (provided you're backups aren't infected, either!).

In other words (and this really applies to any user of any computer system) - be aware, and be educated about what you are doing on your system, and what is actually installed and running. Don't just blindly trust and run junk coming from anywhere, and be extra wary about any random USB stick, your network connection, etc.

And yeah - if you are on one of the popular operating systems - run a proper anti-virus, and keep it up to date (note, though, that this won't catch zero-day exploits).

Avast! (updates automatically when you're on line) antivirus.
Once you've downloaded it, do a boot scan (may take a few hours) to clear out any viruses.
Malwarebytes for getting rid of malware (scan weekly)
Wise Care 365 for getting rid of useless files. (run weekly)
All free versions

And yes, Norton is crap. Even when properly removed it still clogs your registry with redundant references.
Wise Care's registry cleaner may solve that for you.

I have Norton 360 on several computers, we are not having any problems with it at all.

I have used Norton internet security on my two PC's for the last five years and it seems to catch everything OK. that being said it is extremely "resource hungry" and once advised me that the Google search page was suspicious and blocked it. But hey better the devil you know I say.

Personaly i use zone alarm, not popular in sone circles but has served me well, have used norton before but have found both progs can suffer from bot infections.which can be hard to get rid of.
Regular restores are important to deal with new threats

For the OP. A mechanical ticking sound coming from your hard disk, is quite often your hard disk's way of telling you, it's about to wear out. Like the cam belt in your car (if you have one) it's much easier to replace a disk before it wears out, than to wait for it to break.

cr0sh:
Actually, unless by some miracle everyone switches over the *nix - something I've been waiting for since I switched in 1995 - it's almost certainly a guarantee that you won't have virus issues if you move to *nix.

Simply because virus authors write viruses (and other malware) for the platforms which have popularity - which currently are Windows, and to a lesser extent, Mac OSX.

Yes and no. *Nix, including OSX, have their holes to be exploited but are fundamentally more secure than Windows, at the process level. Windows has attracted malware writers, partly because it is so very, very easy to compromise. If the whole World switched to *Nix, including OSX, there would be more malware on those platforms but on the whole, far less than is in the wild on Windows today.

Windows NT started out secure, being squarely a development of VMS. At NT4, MS started moving user land processes into the Kernel, to increase performance. The big compromises occurred when IE was introduced and later, when elements of the insecure Win9X code base were merged in, to create XP.

After the Internet exploded into domestic homes, lacking trained sysadmins to secure the network border, it created a perfect storm for making money out of malware. The criminal community quickly caught on to the fact, luring naive Windows users into clicking the wrong button or link, would almost certainly leave the code they injected, with full admin privs. Microsoft attempted to plug the gap at Vista but by that time, there were so many Windows applications installed and needing full admin privs to function, they back tracked with the UAC workaround.

The malware porridge found on a typical Windows system, is largely the result of dubious MS design decisions, made during the development of Windows. In many cases, possibly even most, the majority of a Windows PC's runtime and resource, can now be occupied by malware scanning. Vendors like Norton and McAfee are partly responsible too. The vendors all start out with good intentions but when they make enough money to attract investment corporations, engineering takes a back seat to marketing. The products sold retail to home users, have developed into 'added value,' all encompassing 'security suites.' In the course of hooking the OS, to disable the native protections the paid for product is duplicating, resources get gobbled up and other applications interfered with.

A wonderful example just before Christmas, I got called out to look at a Windows 8 laptop, which was shutting down, unexpectedly. Turns out, the trial version of Norton it had shipped with, had expired. The user (a man in his 80s) clicked through the warning, as his son had told him to do with the other security warnings Windows throws up. When there was so much malware it noticeably slowed up the PC, his son came around, renewed Norton, which then tried to update but took so long, due to the malware hogging the CPU and Internet bandwidth, it kept overheating and shutting down.

I much prefer to avoid the rather awful security suites, in favour of a separate, unassuming, less resource intensive, virus scanner. MS Security Essentials seems to be as good a virus scanner as any and totally free.

You also need a PuP (potentially unwanted program) scanner, to guard against malware which the lawyers claim is not malware; because you accepted their Ts&Cs when you neglected to uncheck the box, hidden in a wall of text, during the install of some unrelated, apparently free software, like Java for instance. Spybot S&D or Malware bytes are both free. Spybot has been getting too big for it's boots recently but just running the browser immunization from time to time, is well worth it.

The firewall which ships with Windows is good enough, particularly in combination with a NAT router connecting to the internet.

Apart from that. The best malware protection is totally free and found between your ears.

Personally. I spend most of my own time using OSX. Essentially *Nix, with the support and user friendly face Linux is missing.

For the OP. A mechanical ticking sound coming from your hard disk, is quite often your hard disk's way of telling you, it's about to wear out. Like the cam belt in your car (if you have one) it's much easier to replace a disk before it wears out, than to wait for it to break.

Wow, thanks for telling me. How much will a replacement disk run (estimated ballpark figure)? And is that something someone with no experience can do?

The firewall which ships with Windows is good enough, particularly in combination with a NAT router connecting to the internet.

NAT... I have a WEP router. Should I upgrade?

I was reading a Snowden article that just came out, and it said he encrypted everything with true crypt. Apparently it can give the government a hard time, and that's impressive. Does anyone use anything like that?

Thomas499:
Wow, thanks for telling me. How much will a replacement disk run (estimated ballpark figure)? And is that something someone with no experience can do?

New hard disks start at about £30 ($50). You need to check what interface (IDE / SATA) your disk is using. You also need to make sure you buy one large enough to hold all your data. If you can run to it, an SSD will provide a very usable upgrade to your PCs response and performance, more useful than a faster processor in most cases.

There was a time I had no experience :wink:

Fitting a new hard disk is not normally difficult, with a couple of exceptions. Whether yours is one of the exceptions, depends on the make/model of your PC or laptop. Let me know what make / model you have and I can give you a quick run through. You might also find a 'How to' video on You Tube. The main thing is to break the job down, between fitting the disk and transferring data. You want to avoid ending up with a new disk you can't boot inside your PC and an old disk you can boot, disconnected from your PC.

NAT... I have a WEP router. Should I upgrade?

NAT and WEP are very different things. NAT concerns routing. WEP is encryption.

The quick answer to NAT is to find the IP address of your network (Wi-Fi) card and if it starts with 10. or 172.16. or 192.168. you have a NAT router. It is very, very likely, you have a NAT router.

WEP is a very old form of Wi-Fi encryption and it was broken years ago. So broken, you might as well have no encryption at all. It is very likely your router can operate using the more effective, WPA or WPA2 encryption. The settings will be in the router admin page and once set, you may need to change the settings of your Wi-Fi card in Windows to match. If your router was provided/supplied by your Internet Service Provider, their help-desk should be able to help. Otherwise, you will have to read your router manual.

I was reading a Snowden article that just came out, and it said he encrypted everything with true crypt. Apparently it can give the government a hard time, and that's impressive. Does anyone use anything like that?

Snowden was dealing with highly sensitive information. So sensitive, the release of the information lead to his self exile. For most of us mere mortals, it's enough to make sure our Wi-Fi is encrypted effectively and we are careful who we allow to use our computing devices. The vast, vast majority of information still leaks the old fashioned way. The data owner neglects to think about the consequences and just gives it away.

TrueCrypt has vulnerabilities in it; the TrueCrypt homepage encourages you to switch to BitLocker. The rumor is that there are actually backdoors in it planted by the NSA and the devs aren't allowed to mention that due to a gag order.

So no, TrueCrypt probably didn't give the gov't a hard time :wink: