High Powered LED Questions

Hello all!

I am thinking of making a very bright flashlight! I have decided on using the Cree XHP-70D LED chip.

I thought this would be fairly simple, but it is turning out to be more complicated than I thought (naturally; isn't everything?).

I am trying to figure out the resistor value I would need. I am planning on using a 14.8V 1600mAh 4S 75C drone battery as the power source. I know that a fully charged 4S battery reads 16.8V though.

So... I tried using this calculator, but I am getting confused.
Here is what I put in to the calculator:

The result is a 1.92Ω resistor. But I am not sure if the values I put in are correct.

This chart is in the data sheet (max VF = 12.2VDC):

Besides just figuring out the resistor value, I also need to figure out the thermal! :man_facepalming:

Because the LED is so high powered, I need to figure out how to cool it efficiently.

Thanks in advance for any help!

Datasheet:

might be a source of issue

Maximum Drive Current: 4.8 A (6 V) / 2.4 A (12 V)
Typical Forward Voltage 5.8 V @ 2100 mA (6 V) / 11.6 V @ 1050 mA (12 V)

Yeah, that is what is confusing me! The chart I posted has the Forward Current going up to 3600mA for the 12V setup.

The forward current is dependent upon V's applied. As per the graph, the more V's the more I's the LED draws.

That makes sense.

I want to use a 14.8V battery (16.8V max), but I think I should run the LED at 12V exactly (as 12.2V is the max). So how would I do that?

A 12V regulator.

I see lots of schematics, found from using words in an internet search thingy, where the LED is driven by different value resistors to produce differing brightness levels.

I just drew this schematic. Is this about right?

Forget the C2 polarity; it's accidentally backwards.
Its a very rough outline.

Don't bother, you can't control an LED of that power with a constant voltage supply and a resistor. As you will have noticed the resistor values come out stupidly small.

You need to build or buy a constant current supply, because the characteristics of the LED changes over time, age and temperature, and a constant current drive adjusts the supplied voltage so that there is alway a fixed current going through the LED.

Ah, that makes sense! I thought I couldn't just make a 12V constant voltage supply, hence why I posted on here to begin with actually. Or else I would have just hooked up a 12V regulator and called it good.

How would I make a constant current supply?

Edit:
It looks like I could maybe find a LED driver IC that regulates the current and voltage for me!

No... LEDs are normally current controlled and then the voltage "falls into place".

High-power LEDs are not as easy as they may seem... :frowning:

Look for a "constant current LED driver board". It's not an easy thing to build yourself. They are "switch mode" so they don't heat-up (very much) and they don't waste (very much) power.

The problem with a resistor is that it dissipates power (Wattage = Voltage X Current) so you need a high power resistor which generates heat and wastes power. (That's the voltage dropped across the resistor and the current through it.)

The same thing happens if you use a regular linear regulator and/or MOSFET. The regulator and/or MOSFET will generate heat, and may burn-up. A MOSFET's maximum current rating assumes it's turned fully-on with almost no voltage dropped across it. The current rating for voltage regulators is also tricky... It depends on the voltage dropped across it, and the heatsinking.

A resistor on the MOSFET gate doesn't do what you think... :wink:

Correct! An LED runs cooler than a regular incandescent bulb, but internally the LED chip can't handle anything close to the temperature of a tungsten filiment.

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Ah, ok. I'm not finding much to match this LED's specs though :thinking:.

Oh! That makes more sense now.

Finally something that I have gotten correct! :man_facepalming:

I have found a chip that I think will work though; it is the XL3005 (data-sheet). Would this part work?

Edit:
I also just found the LED2001 IC from STMicroelectronics (data-sheet).

I think I am going to use the LED2001 IC for the LED driver. I need some help though with selecting the correct components!

I have selected the correct resistor value for 2.4A (2.32A is the closest I could get) and this comes out to be RS = 0.43Ω. I'm not sure how to calculate for the inductor or capacitors though :thinking:. The data sheet seems a little convoluted to me :face_with_raised_eyebrow:.

In the example schematic that is in the data sheet, the RS resistor doesn't make much sense!

It seems that RS is going from GND to GND, and with a connection going from one side to the other :face_with_raised_eyebrow: .

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