High resistivity wire

Hi,

For a project, I have to find the position of a finger on a line. Like a touchscreen but on only one dimension. For that I thought to use a resistive wire, then to read the voltage with an analog pin. But the wire must measure between 25 and 75 cm with at least 1k ohm.m to limit current and I've look on many websites and I can't find this kind of wire (or plate, this will also work). Does anyone know something like this? (I also try carbon on paper, it works but not really reliable and linear).

Thank you.

Can you make the finger be a part of the circuit? A finger glove or a pen device to work as a wiper, as is in a pot?

It's best to use a capacitive touch sensor.

It'd have to be theremin level stuff to get an accurate and repeatable position reading

I thought about using a capacitor to have a similar behavior, but I have two problems with that. The first is that the reaction must be fast (at least 1kHz) and accurate and the second is how to correctly charge the capacitor from the touch of the finger? While the resistive wire would be simple and fast.

Inside you have the wire

https://www.google.ca/search?q=1k+wire+resistors&tbm=isch&tbs=rimg:CcLFyrUa4cCSIjg-iRRVHEawlC8P5N6rWl5NfMhUhxT7rCarxq-an1Q6-RDxRibyn7SmGdaoKnipifny9W0ps3kZ9CoSCT6JFFUcRrCUEYZ5VdovO2_1lKhIJLw_1k3qtaXk0RPGKsaa_1-YT4qEgl8yFSHFPusJhHNg-Wgg_1nG_1SoSCavGr5qfVDr5EYjKUiwmHl5aKhIJEPFGJvKftKYRUYgETR3uXx0qEgkZ1qgqeKmJ-RGGx2GAnb_1WmSoSCfL1bSmzeRn0EcedrL4ZdEKR&tbo=u&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjlmtLO28vaAhXr5oMKHZbyBFEQ9C96BAgAEBs&biw=1440&bih=787&dpr=1

Thanks, but as I said, the wire should be between 25 and 75 cm and I guess it is not a so long wire they put inside, and it is not easily usable.

So use wire from heater
https://www.google.ca/search?q=spiral+heater&tbm=isch&tbs=rimg:CUoz9z9aqlKtIjg4oIMjIV541YJgP1MdmAZd3IB-0g8GbMeyc19j3w0pWr_1WkZGwbXBzrmD6kfBjs5vCTNrE459akyoSCTiggyMhXnjVERkXGz6X1OLDKhIJgmA_1Ux2YBl0RAXgYSubGLnQqEgncgH7SDwZsxxEShr5Xawe1pyoSCbJzX2PfDSlaETMx5xVBp8dGKhIJv9aRkbBtcHMR0FHrgo8QMQwqEgmuYPqR8GOzmxH3YQu_1cSytnCoSCcJM2sTjn1qTEaYs0U1UHmIt&tbo=u&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiYy_2Z48vaAhUUiIMKHW_GCccQ9C96BAgAEBs&biw=1440&bih=787&dpr=1

But the idea of the heating elements is precisely to have a rather weak resistance. I found heating wire up to 100 ohms / m. But the arduino will certainly not support 5 with such a low resistance.

I just opened 1k resistor 5W, wire thick as hair the length 35cm

Ok thank you I will try that then :slight_smile: And if someone by chance knows how to solve the problem of loading a capacitor through a contact, it will help me for another part of the project, otherwise I will do another topic elsewhere.

Maybe Nichrome wound on a plastic or wooden dowel to increase the resistance per length? With an adjacent winding of fishing line to prevent the nichrome windings from shorting together:

This would effectively lengthen the wire, imparting more resistance in a shorter overall length:

L = n(dF + dN)

Where:

  • L is the Length of the coil of Nichrome and Fishing Line (essentially the length of the sensor)

  • n is the number of turns. One "turn" would be composed of both a loop of Nichrome wire and a loop of Fishing Line.

  • dF is the diameter of the Fishing Line

  • dN is the diameter of the Nichrome Wire.

W = nπ(D + dN)
Where:

  • W is the length of the Nichrome Wire
  • n is the number of turns of Nichrome Wire (and, is actually the same value as before)
  • D is the diameter of the Dowel that the Nichrome and Fishing Line are to be wrapped around (essentially the core of the coil).
  • dN is the diameter of the Nichrome Wire
  • D + dN is the diameter of a loop of wire, from the center of the wire

W = 100R/ρ

Where:

  • W is the length of the Nichrome Wire in cm
  • R is the Resistance of that length
  • ρ is Ω/Meter

If we combine those these three formulas and solve for D, we get a tool for working out a Diameter for the dowel that will produce a sensor at the desired length:

100R/ρ = nπ(D + dN)

n = L/(dF + dN)

100R/ρ = (L/(dF + dN))π(D + dN) = **πL(D + dN)/****(dF + dN)**

Solving for D:

D = [100R(dF + dN)/(πρ****L)] - dN

Winding the thing might be a challenge. Might be easier with a lathe, but a hand drill might work or a drill press.

You might have to play with different values before you find the right balance. I like to use a spreadsheet for this.

And, everybody CHECK MY WORK!!!

A capacative sensor doesn't require a capacitor. A piece of wire can be used.

1kHz is kind of fast (how far can you move your finger in 1/1000th of a second?) but I am sure it can be done with little effort.

ReverseEMF:
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W = 100R/ρ

Where:
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  • ρ is Ω/Meter

Excellent work but too much theory.
Nichrome wire diameter 0.1mm = 240 ohm/m for 5m length = 1.2k, and where to find such wire?
0.1mm will be to hard to put on th stick with fishing line.

Your idea reminded me about this potentiometer, inside there is your " stick " 30 cm long.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=multi+turn+wire+potentiometer&tbm=isch&tbs=rimg:CXT5YrLRYtunIjg_1O1aeg53iGpXt7O3gmHAPE4MqVsibWDl49hcH6weuHSe3XGRwJhCR77U8Wg0wMOvcc6YtCsQMyyoSCT87Vp6DneIaEUsGHc1OV82jKhIJle3s7eCYcA8RAkMH0zun2H8qEgkTgypWyJtYORGwvwIMJTsgtyoSCXj2FwfrB64dEY07tLvVLDHxKhIJJ7dcZHAmEJERjTu0u9UsMfEqEgnvtTxaDTAw6xH9Bjm15QM_1AyoSCdxzpi0KxAzLEWRiJ2-49kNB&tbo=u&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj8t8rknMzaAhUGyoMKHckyC8wQ9C96BAgAEBs&biw=1440&bih=787&dpr=1#imgrc=dPlistFi26cdjM:

I can't really use the winding, because with the analog of the arduino and a wire of 25cm I have a presicion of 0.25mm (very theoretically) and if I do that I will certainly lose precision and I would like to keep the wire quite flexible and thin (not much more than 1mm).

I am not very familiar with the capacitive sensor, how to make one with a wire? (1kHz is probably too much, but I want to be sure that the slightest movement is detected.)

Potentiometers are, in general, made with rigid tracks, but if I'm wrong, what is the simplest solution to extract the wire, the potentiometer or the resistance?

I used a small hammer to break ceramic and inside is a wire wound resistor.
precision 0.25 mm with a finger ?

I would like to be able to detect the very small and fast movements that could happen once the finger is set. Being able to accurately determine the movement speed will certainly be useful too. it's still a prototype, I do not know exactly the precisions and speeds needed. That's why I'm looking for great precision even if it's too much.

finger is set. - explain that

When the finger is in contact with the wire.