Power supply from ATX PSU

I've recently came up to an old computer and I decided to scavenge it's power supply, but I'm facing a weird issue: it doesn't power up.

This is ATX v2.03 300W PSU and I've cut all the connectors and wired it as in the attached diagram, but the "Power On" LED never turns on while the "Stand By" one turns on as soon as I plug in the mains cord (as expected).
I've added additional resistor loads on each power line as I read it might be required by some PSUs, still with no luck.
The PSU fan never starts spinning and I can see a fraction of second of current and voltage on the power lines, then everything goes down to 0.

Now, the guy who sold me the PSU swears it was working nicely in his old PC and I've checked the fuse for continuity.
When I switch on the PSU by pushing the PowerON green wire down to GND I can hear a very short "buzz"coming from what I recognize as a transformer (the three black and yellow things in attached picture). I don't believe such "buzz" is normal, but my guess it's it isn't.

Any advice or suggestion?

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Those power supplies need you to connect their "PS_ON" pin to GND before they'll supply any power.

It's the green pin in this image:

(and GND is labelled "COM")

fungus:
Those power supplies need you to connect their "PS_ON" pin to GND before they'll supply any power.

I have it wired to GND through a switch (as in my diagram). When I turn the switch on I see some current flowing for a brief moment through all the power lines, the voltages raise for an instant toward their target and then they just fall down to 0.

Turning the switch off and then on again does produce the same "bounce" again.

Every time I turn the supply on a short "buzz" comes from the area containing the three transformers.

Any suggestion what should I check before declaring the PSU dead?

The switch should be momentary (a push to make button is usually used here), not the toggle switch you've shown. With a toggle switch you're turning the unit on and almost immediately back off again. On your computer you push once to turn it on and a second time to turn it off. The toggle switch is doing both actions, so you're not getting any power output.

Henry_Best:
The switch should be momentary (a push to make button is usually used here), not the toggle switch you've shown. With a toggle switch you're turning the unit on and almost immediately back off again. On your computer you push once to turn it on and a second time to turn it off. The toggle switch is doing both actions, so you're not getting any power output.

Nope. Whenever I've used one of those supplies I just connected it to GND and left it there.

I'm guessing it's dead.

Henry_Best:
The switch should be momentary (a push to make button is usually used here), not the toggle switch you've shown.

You are confusing the button on the front of the computer with the internal "power on" control line to the power supply.

The thing is that there is a whole lot of logic on the motherboard, in between the two, which does all the tricks such as telling the OS to shut down when you press the "power" button and only actually turning off when it has done so, or in fact switching off if you hold the button for 3 to 5 seconds - or simply putting the PC to "sleep" on a brief press if it is so configured, in which case it is presumably the "pilot" (standby) 5V supply which is used to maintain the RAM.

The power supply is not that "smart" at all - you ground the control line; it switches on; you release the control line and it switches off. That's it.

The original fellow's problem is that the power supply is activating a safety mechanism and shutting down. I suspect it is the over-voltage protection if you are not providing a load to it - you need to draw at least an amp or so from either the 5V or the 3.3V supply for the switching regulator to stabilise.

Also - do not (ever) put a fuse in the ground line - that is absolutely asking for something really bad to happen.

Paul__B:
The original fellow's problem is that the power supply is activating a safety mechanism and shutting down. I suspect it is the over-voltage protection if you are not providing a load to it - you need to draw at least an amp or so from either the 5V or the 3.3V supply for the switching regulator to stabilise.

I did put some load on each and every line: 10Ohm resistors on 3.3V and 5V, 20Ohm resistor on 12V and a couple more on -12V and -5V (don't remember exactly the values).

That didn't make any difference.

I've just noticed something weird you might be able to help me interpret: with no mains plug and with the switch either on or off I measure low impedence between all the power lines and ground. I noticed that while trying to measure the two negative resistance values with my multimeter as it reported some odd values I wasn't recognizing. Here is the listing:

5V 95.7 Ohm
3.3V 427 Ohm
12V 0.3 Ohm
-12V 2.2k Ohm
-5V 267 Ohm

While on the control lines

Power On 4.7k Ohm
Power Ok 650 Ohm
Vsb 95 Ohm

I don't know if that's normal, but to me it seems the 12V line is shorted. A close visual inspection of the PCB doesn't show any clearly failed component.

Paul__B:
Also - do not (ever) put a fuse in the ground line - that is absolutely asking for something really bad to happen.

May I ask you a little bit more detail, may be a link or something? The PSU is already fused, I was trying to add an additional protection on top of the internal one, trying to save the internal fuse from my fat fingers :-D.

rlogiacco:
I noticed that while trying to measure the two negative resistance values with my multimeter as it reported some odd values I wasn't recognizing.

Is it plugged in? You can't measure resistance on an active wire.

(Even if it isn't, there might be some charge in the capacitors causing that)

fungus:
Is it plugged in? You can't measure resistance on an active wire.

(Even if it isn't, there might be some charge in the capacitors causing that)

It's not plugged, but I didn't discharge the capacitors: doing it now, but it has been unplugged for over 24hrs with connections on all power lines. The only line that hasn't been connected to something in the past 24hrs is the AC input line.

UPDATE I don't see any variation, the 12V line still seems shorted, but they all are very low impedance: is it normal? Shouldn't they be high impedance, in the order of the MOhms?

Is it possible I've killed this PSU myself? I don't see how and I believe I should have at least seen some nice blue smoke....

rlogiacco:
I don't see any variation, the 12V line still seems shorted, but they all are very low impedance: is it normal?

There will be some big capacitors across the lines and they'll read like a short circuit when they're not charged.

rlogiacco:
Shouldn't they be high impedance, in the order of the MOhms?

Nope.

fungus:

rlogiacco:
Shouldn't they be high impedance, in the order of the MOhms?

Nope.

:stuck_out_tongue: Ok, that leaves me with some hope this thing is not blown. Any suggestion about something else to check?
I've noticed if I leave the PSU unplugged for a while (about 10 mins or so) the PSU doesn't emit any sound when I turn it on (through the switch) but nothing else changes.

I still can't find a way out of this: any suggestion before I send this into the trash?

The 12V rail resistance reading is wrong.
It should read around the same as the 5V rail resistance.
It looks like either a shorted capacitor or a shorted diode for the 12V rail.

rlogiacco:
I did put some load on each and every line: 10 Ohm resistors on 3.3V and 5V, 20 Ohm resistor on 12V and a couple more on -12V and -5V (don't remember exactly the values).

Gathering that you actually used ten Ohm and twenty Ohm resistors, that sounds just fine. At least one of those supplies requires a reasonable minimum current. The negative supplies do not need to be loaded as they may not actually supply power to anything in modern computers. (-12V for RS-232 ports, if present, some audio boards; -5V - nothing!)

rlogiacco:
I've just noticed something weird you might be able to help me interpret: with no mains plug and with the switch either on or off I measure low impedance between all the power lines and ground. I noticed that while trying to measure the two negative resistance values with my multimeter as it reported some odd values I wasn't recognising. Here is the listing:
5V 95.7 Ohm
3.3V 427 Ohm
12V 0.3 Ohm
-12V 2.2k Ohm
-5V 267 Ohm
Vsb 95 Ohm

I don't know if that's normal, but to me it seems the 12V line is shorted.

That sounds almost certain. The trick is of course, that if your meter applies a voltage in the direction that make the rectifier conduct, you will read the voltage drop of the rectifier rather than a resistance as such. On most multimeters, the voltage applied to measure resistance will be less than a silicon rectifier threshold, but these PSUs generally use Schottky diodes with a very low voltage drop, so may read all sorts of things. The "diode test" range on the meter offers a somewhat higher current to charge capacitors and directly read a diode voltage drop.

In the other direction, applying positive voltage to the positive outputs and negative to the negative, you will see a varying voltage as the capacitors charge, and then it will settle at quite high value, at least in the kilohms range except for whatever resistors are sensing the voltages to control the regulator. This resistor will generally be on one line only.

rlogiacco:
May I ask you a little bit more detail, may be a link or something? The PSU is already fused, I was trying to add an additional protection on top of the internal one, trying to save the internal fuse from my fat fingers :-D.

On a PC power supply, the negative goes to the mains ground. If a fuse in the ground line as you describe blows, there can still be a return path through the mains ground and other equipment connected to your circuits, or through another one of the supplies and whatever heavy current blew the fuse, may be directed through something else. Need I point out how that could be a problem?

The mains fuse inside the PSU is only to protect it from internal faults. A short on any of the outputs should shut down the switchmode system- as it appears to be doing here.

So what to do? Unsolder and remove the rectifier from the 12V line. Test it. Look for any connection to the regulator circuitry - if it is (and it most likely is) either 5V or 3.3V that is regulated, then the PSU will run without it.

I know that I'm coming into the discussion really late, but I recently had a similar struggle. One possible consideration is that the power supply is not an 'ATX' supply. The ATX designation refers to a standard pinout that is (and has been) very popular through the industry. That being said, some PII and PIII computers used the same connector and a different wiring configuration. The green line was either the 5v stand by or the power OK signal (I can't remember which). In order to turn on these older supplies you needed to connect the PS_ON (Pin 11 Gray in colour) to ground (usually pin 12 Black in colour). In mine the fan still doesn't turn on, but you do start to measure voltages across the other pins once the gray wire has been connected to ground.