further i bougt this Arduino UNO at AliExpress, and does anybody know weither this is the chinese board and also compatible to turn it over in a AVR programmer?
Select File > Preferences from the Arduino IDE menus.
Uncheck the checkbox next to Show verbose output during: ☑ compilation
Check the checkbox next to Show verbose output during: ☐ upload.
Click the OK button.
Attempt whatever operation you are using to "turn a arduino UNO into a programmer itself"
Wait for the operation to to finish/fail.
Now examine the contents of the black "Output" panel at the bottom of the Arduino IDE window. There you will see the avrdude command Arduino IDE ran. You can copy and paste that command and run it directly from the command line.
I'm not sure I understood correctly what you mean by this. Please provide a more detailed description of what you mean by "permitted" to help me to understand it.
If you want to solve the problem, the best thing to do is post a detailed description of it here, including the full and exact text of any error or warning messages you might be getting.
If you are only interested in doing this to learn more about the process, or in order to set up a script to do it more efficiently, then go for it and we are here to help you with that! But if you think this is an effective way to solve whatever problem you are having, you are likely only wasting your time because there is very little chance you will get any better results by running it from the command line.