Antenna shape

Hi,

I have an arduino that controls a quadcopter that receives radio comunication using 433 MHZ. I know I must use a 1/4 wavelenght to get optimal results. But I would like to put my 17 cm not entirely vertically in the top of my arduino, and not entirely vertically on the bottom of it (point below). I would like to keep half of my antenna pointing above my quad and the other half pointing bellow my quad. Can I get this 17 cm and connect the middle of it to my transmitter?

Usually people connect one end of the wire to the transmittr and the other end is left alone. Can I leave the 2 ends alone and connect my RF module (sold its antenna hole) to the middle of my antenna?

No, you can't do that.

You just want 17cm sticking up, the rest of the circuit and quadcopter
wiring acts as a ground plane.

If you had nothing else in the way you could have a centre-fed dipole which would be
34cm long, but you'll also need a 50 ohm coax feeder to its centre and insulating rod to
support it....

[ A 1/4 wave aerial over a flat ground plane is exactly equivalent to a dipole BTW ]

I suspect the best would be downwards, in practice there might not be space.
Have the antenna at 90 degrees to the basic metalwork/structure/wiring and
avoid detuning it. In particular the end of the wire needs to be well away from any conductor.

gilperon:
Nice! I will do that! So it's not a good idea put the antenna alongside my quad arm? The 4 arms are aluminum.

Definitely not!

Russell.

Point it up, the drooping radials modify the pattern so it is more like a donut and not so much just above the ground plane created by the radials.

Sounds like you need some antenna design formulae or software - try the ARRL website perhaps?

Do you want range, or not?! In your other thread you've beat us to death trying to find some way to get slightly better performance, now you want to make it smaller at the expense of range.

Put the radials in the arms of your quadcopter and point the antenna straight up or straight down. Don't coil it. It is typical to put it into a light plastic tube to keep it straight. Stranded wire is often used just because it can take the continued vibrations and flexing without breaking.

The plastic will have no effect. (I think this is the third time you were told this)

Things radio waves sail through:

air, plastic, glass, dry paper/cardboard, most ceramics, wax, mineral oils.

Things radio waves are unable to penetrate at all:

metals

Things that absorb radio waves in bulk:

anything containing water/moisture (plants, masonry, water, people, wood)
carbon, certain ceramics, semiconductors

MarkT:
Sounds like you need some antenna design formulae or software - try the ARRL website perhaps?

You could try MMANA-GAL. The basic version is a free download: MMANA-GAL basic but I think you'll have to do a bit of reading first.

Russell.

If I have a plastic door, I am sure the range of my radio would not be as far if there wasnt a door between the transmitter and receiver.

No.

I wonder if I remove insulation if it will give me an improve, for example 10% better range?

No.

gilperon:
17cm is not easy to put in the quadcopter, harder is keep it in vertical. I will use a plastic tube to keep the antenna straight

Perhaps easier to make the antenna from flexible (stranded) wire and attach a small weight to the end. It can then collapse on landing but will hang straight down in flight.

As others have said, plastic coating will have no measurable effect on the range.

Russell

Definitely don't turn it into a pendulum, it will be all over the place then.

Removing the insulation will hurt range in the long run, because the surface of the wire will corrode.

gilperon:
Just got me wondering: instead of keep the antenna straight down (using some weight to keep it straight down [very good idea, I admit!]) can I make a "bow" or a "rainbow" with it? I mean, using the rainbow shape with my 17 cm wire? Instead of keep the wire straight down, can I keep the wire in the upper surface and bend it fo make a rainbow shape? Will it keep its performance?

How often have we specified keeping it straight - or near enough?

Were you not answered in #17 that making a pendulum out of it would be a very bad idea?

Now note lest you miss the significance of it, that polymorph did not include the link to that last picture: