How to drive AC operated relay?

Hello everyone!

I can find many schematics on how to operate the DC controlled relay to operate the AC load, but what to do if the relay itself is driven/operated by 220 VAC?

Making one more relay for relay? Or make some sort of small SSR to drive relay?

Thanks

Use triac optocoupler like MOC3023/3043

Do you mean to use something like this:

Or snubber for relay is not needed?

The snubber may be useful, but R1 most likely needs to be removed. What is the coil current of the relay?

Highlighted below:

The full datasheet is here: https://www.farnell.com/datasheets/2282545.pdf

Maybe, some small PTC fuse instead of R1? Or not needed at all?

I would look around for "mains solid state relay", it is by far the easiest way, and you get zero point crossing switching as standard.

The MOC302X optocouplers are really intended to be used as TRIAC drivers. You won't see much design information on how to use them to directly drive AC loads. Using them to successfully drive an inductive load will be very dependent on the snubber design and will probably require some experimentation to get it right.

If you must use the AC relay, I would use a small SSR to drive the coil.

MOC3023 rated pulsed output current is up to 1A. Safe continous current based on thermal dissipation is about 100 mA.
The rated current of the relay coil is about 5 mA, so the optocoupler I recommend is suitable with a large margin.

I myself quite often use such optocouplers instead of relays to control low-power AC loads.

If you are confused that this is an optocoupler for controlling a triac, then you can take AQH3223 instead, which are declared by the manufacturer exact as relays. The connection will be same.

That's 1ms pulse at 120pps, not 50Hz AC

Whatever you choose, be careful when working with AC 220v, this voltage is dangerous to life.

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