How to make a good wire detector in a wall?

As far as I know, this kind of electronic circuitry (https://uc87c5f3274db14a6e735251583a.dl.dropboxusercontent.com/cd/0/get/AzSoFdDjZGopZTC-LLDcvP1Y_M82O5BMfFxShIqphRpft8WJgyA_HHjoNx-BgOjU784QA5ga5ZVshfxKSrVNHceKvYM7uAYewRYjn-id5MA94O8sW_w_3MPEe_R-6Fm1EiQ/file?dl=1#) works by running electricity from the battery to the coil an electric field is formed around the coil, and when the coil is near the wire a occurs i disturbance of the electric field around the coil, and this interference signal is transmitted to the LED, before signal went to the LED went through the transistors that amplify it that would the LED diod "registers" it

Does anyone in this forum understand this circuit in more detail? What formulas does it work?
To what depth in the wall does such an assembly react, and how can I modify that so circuit increase the depth of penetration into the wall?
In this particular case, does this only depend on the diameter and length of the spool?

Thanks.

That makes two of us, your link is broken and I get a 403 error.

Coils make a magnetic field, not electric. They are used in metal detectors as conductors in the AC mag field
will have eddy currents, disturbing the field and thus affecting the inductance of the coil. The
circuit has to detect the change in inductance while providing an ac current to the coil.

You can also simply sense AC mains voltage with a single sense electrode - commonly wire / pipe/ trunking
detectors use both techniques together.

That makes two of us, your link is broken and I get a 403 error.

Have and here

The same it, as in first post.

Hi,
OPs circuit;

The wire, as the circuit shows, acts as an aerial, picking up the AC electrical field from the wiring in the wall.
The voltage induced in the aerial is amplified by the 3 cascaded transistors, this controls a large enough current to drive the LED and Buzzer.

Tom... :slight_smile:

To what depth in the wall can reveal the cable?
Can that circuit be modified to increase wire revealing depth?

Its probably sensitive enough, the gain will be more than a million. Too sensitive and the buzzer sounds all the time as you are holding the device. The fact that mains fields permeate the whole building will be the limiting factor to detection. Remember you are holding the device and being a second antenna that picks up field from all around you - all it can detect is a significant difference in field between where you are and where its antenna is.

The antenna is deliberately quite small so you can localize the signal and thus trace out the wire/pipe's path.

In my experience these devices have a sensitivity control so you can dial up sensitivity to the maximum useful level.

The fact that mains fields permeate the whole building will be the limiting factor to detection.

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How that, can more detail about that?

Aleksandari:
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How that, can more detail about that?

The wiring in the wall and all over a building is the equivalent of a RADIATING aerial, like a radio transmitter.
It emits an electric field around it like a radio aerial does.
The voltage and the frequency governs the range of the electric field and how easy it is to receive.
How deep into a wall do you want to detect electrical wiring?
Tom.... :slight_smile:

How deep into a wall do you want to detect electrical wiring?

I dont know.

I need for install a radiator and pipes (for drilling).

The wiring in the wall and all over a building is the equivalent of a RADIATING aerial, like a radio transmitter.
It emits an electric field around it like a radio aerial does.
The voltage and the frequency governs the range of the electric field and how easy it is to receive.
How deep into a wall do you want to detect electrical wiring?

Whether that only applies for buildings or and for homes (only more or less weaker)?

If it is an interior wall in the US, then detection should only need to be about 4". 1/2" thick wallboard, and 3 1/2" thick wall, before you reach the other side.

The fact that mains fields permeate the whole building will be the limiting factor to detection.

The wiring in the wall and all over a building is the equivalent of a RADIATING aerial, like a radio transmitter.
It emits an electric field around it like a radio aerial does.
The voltage and the frequency governs the range of the electric field and how easy it is to receive.
How deep into a wall do you want to detect electrical wiring?

And whether that only applies for buildings or and for homes (only more or less weaker)?

In my experience these devices have a sensitivity control so you can dial up sensitivity to the maximum useful level.

How does this sensitivity adjust in this electronic circuit?
What part should be added to the assembly?

It is given here that the total length of the coil wire should be 10-12 cm, but no coil diameter was given, how long it should be?

Is the photo not answering that question? Its not really a coil, they are just making the antenna wire have more
capacitance to its environment (making it effectively larger).

Is the photo not answering that question?

Well, by the picture I would say that it is around 5-6 mm?

I do not know from what distance it was taken.

I'm surprised the metal conduit doesn't shield the field.

Aleksandari:
Well, by the picture I would say that it is around 5-6 mm?

I do not know from what distance it was taken.

You are told the length, you have a photograph with 0.1" perfboard in shot for scale, that is enough information!

Do you think that the diameter of this spiral just 2.54mm?

If one col is 25.4 mm, as far as I know, not all countries have the same col,
there are more standards.

Just make it look a bit like the photo, its not in any way crucial.