Slinding Solar Panel System

Hello,

I hope I'm not in the wrong place. I'm planning a fairly simple project. At the moment I'm hesitating over the choice of motor and it's on this subject that I'd like to ask for your help. So here are the details.

As indicated in the title, it's a sliding solar panel system.
2 panels, one fixed on a flat surface, such as the roof of a van, the other superimposed on top. The panel on top has to slide across the width. Here are two images to help you understand:
stacked panels
unfolded panels

The sliding mechanism was chosen, a track system with glides made for outdoor use with very little friction. The panel weighs about 27kg, so let's count on 30kg. I intend to drive the panel with a rack and a notched wheel like the gate systems. The motor is the question. I found a planetary DC geared motor with the following specifications:

Model :32GP-31ZY
Product name: DC gear motor Voltage :12V
Speed: 1 RPM -2160 RPM Power :21.6W-24W
No-load current :0.2A-0.45A Maximum torque: 200. CM Shaft diameter :8MM Adjustable speed, reversible

Concerning the speed, I've calculated a distance to be covered of 1300mm, i.e. for a 45mm gear, ~141mm perimeter, 9 revolutions in say 30 seconds max, I think 15-20 rpm is enough for me. Or should I count on something higher and then reduce it?

I'm not sure about torque here.
Maybe you have other suggestions.
Thanks for your help.
Alexandre

A large stepper might be better for torque.

Have you tried a "Solar Panel" forum?

Sorry your links go to a non secure site and I cannot access them.

What will the friction be after 12 months living outside where lots of dust can accumulate?

Once the slide mechanism is built, it is no problem to measure the force required to move the panel, and compute the required torque from the gearbox output shaft.

Divide that by the gear ratio to get the absolute required minimum motor torque.

Note: motor torque is proportional to motor current, and you can reduce the average driving voltage to reduce the torque (also reduces shaft rotational speed).

Tutorial on Force and Torque

The link (in post #3) is just a solar power forum for people with solar power issues, just like this Arduino forum. Nothing notable.

I guess I understand Force et Torque and thank you for the tutorial btw.
But how to calculate it is another story. I know the weight of the panel (30KG) but on an horizontal plan to pull or push it is not like lifting a 30kg weight. If I understand well your tutorial, the panel will apply a Force on the shaft, but how do I calculate this ? And then what characteristics should I look for for my motor ?

These are great considerations but I am guessing far beyond what I really need for this project. Maybe I am wrong. But first :

  • should I use a stepper motor or not ? What would be the advantage of a stepper one beside precision which I don't necessarily need.
  • with or without brush ?
  • and then, I thought that your experience in project like this would suffice to advise on which motor to choose from, without really getting into calculations, but again, I might be wrong.

Thanks.

Hi,
Images;


Tom... :smiley: :+1: :coffee: :australia:

Thanks a bunch :slight_smile:

Use a scale.
Connect it to the panel, pull in horizontal direction, note max kg.
Now you know the force required to move the panel.

Aha ! I thought about doing this but then I thought this was not pro enough :laughing:
Thanks a lot, I'll do that.

Only if you use a fish scale. :smile:
I don't know what the actual force will be but you probably want a scale with a max of maybe 5 or 10 kg and not something for weighing 100kg

Do you think in that case, too big is too much ? I mean a motor that could handle more is not adapted ?

Are you referring to my comments about the scale maximum range?

Ah yes sorry I read wrong.

Bonjour alexidoia

Pour les fin de course, un GND suffit, donc pas de potentiel à amener.

Pour la commande il te faut un ESC qui se gère comme un servo, mais tu trouvera plus facilement un moteur "avec" qui a un réducteur.

Cordialement
jpbbricole

What I am saying is that if you buy a scale for measuring 100kg and the actual force is only 10kg you may not get an accurate reading.

Especially note the force when you first start to pull on the panel, that will be the highest force

Hi,

If the panel weighs 30kg.
Then a 20kg scale will probably be big enough.

Or mount your panel on the slide.
Connect a wire/string from the edge of the panel in the direction of the slide and hang the end of the string over a pulley so you have the string hanging down.
Then put a bucket on the string.
1 litre or water is 1Kg.

Simple.

Tom.. :smiley: :+1: :coffee: :australia:

ingenious yes !