i3, win10 (win7), 8GB, SSD, 100 Mbps. Arduino IDE v2.0.0 start an ex. for 20 seconds. 2 different types, ever so slowly. No proxy. Can't do anything with startup? Why is it so slow? It is unacceptable. I often close and open projects along with the IDE. It is impossible to use normally.
Hi @rockn
I wasn't able to understand this. Please explain to me what is "an ex."
I wasn't able to understand this. Please explain to me what you mean by "types".
My English is bad, I write with a translator.
ex. = for example. For example Arduino IDE v2.0.0 start for 20 seconds, sometimes start for 10 seconds, sometimes start for 27 seconds ... always slow, first start: slowest. Arduino IDE v1.8.19: start for 1..3 seconds.
PC type 1: I3, SSD, win7 64 bit, 8 GB RAM, 100 Mbps, PC type 2: AMD A6-3650, SSD, win7 64 bit, 8 GB RAM.
Unfortunately the modern free open source Chromium/Electron/Theia framework Arduino IDE 2.x re is more processing intensive to load than the less feature rich Arduino IDE 1.x. This will be more noticeable on lower spec PCs.
If the startup duration is not acceptable to you, then I would recommend continuing to use Arduino IDE 1.8.19, which will continue to be available.
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No, my old comp is AMD A6 8GB HDD, win7 Ultimate x64. With previous versions I have used it to write skeches. With v2 it's practically impossible. Never mind, that's my problem. But you will lose users - Arduino Fans. First losing was with IDE versions over 1.8.9 - it stopped winXP users. I am one of them :/.
Is this because it takes ~32 seconds to start?
Yes. I open many sketches at the same time, old-new projects, copy from one to another. There are > 500 items in the folder. And this opening time just stops the process ... IDE is changing, but for the worse :/. And the patterned ones of menu and animations are not seen by anyone, they are not a priority. Even better if they don't exist. It is an environment for writing code.
But that's my view. If you want, comply with it. We will take it as we do, and whether it will be used, the future will tell. And the old versions soon become old - errors begin, shortages begin ... and they getting useless sooner or later.
In your opinion, why am I writing in a language that is unclear to me, in a forum that is unclear to me? - And I don't want to leave Arduino IDE! Just let's fix something for good! (with google translate)
There are some features in IDE 1.x that are not in IDE 2.x
Valid point. Still, I think the feature list of Arduino IDE 2.x is longer.
In the context of this discussion, the language server features are significant in that they do come at the cost of quite some resource usage.
We use Arduino because it's simple (from the language, to the way logic is expressed in program code). No new stuff was/is needed in the interface. For yourself, for your acquaintances, for hobby friends, for children and grandchildren. Otherwise, there are all sorts of complex IDE systems, from free to paid (AVR, PIC, STM, ...). We (in particular - me) don't want improvements in the environment, we want support for new devices, for example.
And with the new version I'm starting to have difficulties with computers. I will use an old version (for example: v1.8.9 with winXP and v1.8.19 for win7 and win10), but you know: up to a point. Then there is no way (with new devices, for example). (Never mind, don't listen to me. I am an isolated case :|. I will not stop the process. I have found an environment to use, away from Arduino and AVR. But I didn't want to lose you, Arduino. Аnd that's why I'm writing my point of view).
That depends on your background and what you're used to. Compared to an IDE like Visual Studio or an editor like Notepad++, the old IDE is very primitive and IDE 2.0 is definitely an improvement in my opinion.
Talking about Visual Studio, double clicking a project (after a reboot of my PC) takes 2 minutes and 30 seconds before I can start coding. The 1 minute of IDE 2.0 under the same circumstances is a godsend
Long load time doesn't worry me too much. I start my computer in the morning and put the kettle on te fire for a coffee. Next I login and wait for the kettle to boil. I brew the coffee and start the IDE. I go and drink my coffee and have a smoke and everything is ready when I get back.
Of course, I did wish that it would just take a few seconds, don't get me wrong.
The IDE ecosystem with its board manager has allowed to develop software for e.g. ESP boards using the IDE so I have some serious doubts that you will run out of options there.
Just curious what you're using now?
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I use a 2nd generation Intel I3 with 8 GB memory and a standard HD (no SSD); graphics is some Intel on-board chip.
Remember when DOS took almost a minute to boot to a prompt?
Times change. Software evolves.
Arduino 2.x is an absolutely reasonable product for today's use cases and while there have been real issues, the Arduino team has produced a nice project.
Seriously?
I'm in my mid-70's and buy only second-hand computers but I'm not having any issue with the evolution of desktop computing. Get with the program or find another hobby... yes, terse, but reality is not a pretty pig.
Hope you are aware that WinXP to Win8 don't get security updates anymore (Win8.1 will for two more months) and there are likely lot's of holes in them that are never gonna get patched. So best not have them connected to the internet.
And even if you find an Antivirus that still are supported for those OS's then that won't help since they don't protect the full OS.
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