4 - 20 ma Wireless Pressure Transducer

Good Afternoon,

This is my first time in this forum. I'm new to the electrical engineering and need to develop a project for school. This device / project needs to measures pressures remotely in a vehicle. I'm confused on how it should be assembled.

It needs to have the following conditions:

1.) Have a microcontroller with as little power consumption as possible. I'm leaning toward a Heltec Automation ESP32 Wi-fi. Cheap and low powered. Feel free to suggest any other options.
2.) Connect an 4-20 ma pressure sensor.
3.) Power the whole thing using a 3.7 Volt battery pack (Picture Displays 3.4 Volt. This is a typo. Sorry)
4.) Set the sensor to sleep for several minutes to save battery life. I will have questions about the programming a little later.

As mentioned above, I'm confused on the diagram of how I should assemble it. Thanks ahead of time. I know I will need a resistor. But what kind and value? Is it as simple as V=IR? I'm going to wire with a bread board. Please look at the attachment.

Thanks!

I've not done any extensive searching however I doubt you will find a 4 - 20 ma sensor that can be powered by 3.4V . Usually 4 - 20 ma sensors need > 12V to operate.

You might find a pressure sensor that operates at 3.3V (same as 3.4).

What pressure are you trying to sense?

Hello
Take some time and study the current-loop interface technology before start with coding.

Hi, @iotmasterblaster
Welcome to the forum.

Can you please post link to spec/data of your pressure sensor, if you already have one?

If your project is in a vehicle, can you share the power supply that is already in it?

Thanks.. Tom.. :smiley: :+1: :coffee: :australia:

John,

My apologies, I thought most pressure transducers were the same. I purchased the following off of Amazon (Pressure Transducer, Water Pressure Transducer 4-20mA Output G1/4" Silicon Pressure Transmitter Transducer for Water Gas Oil(0-1MPA)).

Link: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08FCJWS4C/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1

I'm not sure what voltage is required to power this transducer. I thought with it being 4-20 ma, one could use any type of Transducer. I guess I'm wrong?

Thanks,

-IOTMB

Hi,

Most 4-20mA transducer/sensors require a 24Vdc supply, an industry standard.
But you may need to experiment with as low as 12V to see if it will perform.

Your circuit will work, just need to check supply.
That is the standard way of converting the 4-20mA to a voltage for ADC measurement.

Tom.. :smiley: :+1: :coffee: :australia:

Tom,

Please see the following link:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08FCJWS4C/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1

I won't be able to use the power voltage from the vehicle. It has to be stand alone. I was thinking more of a 3.7 Li-Po Battery.

I'm not sure what voltage is required to power this transducer. I thought with it being 4-20 ma, one could use any type of Transducer. I guess I'm wrong?

Thanks,

-IOTMB

Hi,
This image from the sellers sight will help.


It seems you can go down to 8V.

Tom... :smiley: :+1: :coffee: :australia:

Tom,

Thank you for all your help. So, would a 4-20 ma pressure transducer be the incorrect way to go? I wonder if the Professor did this on purpose. He is tricky guy!

Reading the following link: https://www.te.com/usa-en/products/sensors/pressure-sensors/pressure-transducers/voltage-output-pressure-transducer-comparison.html

It seems maybe 0.5-2.5 Voltage maybe the way to go? I know the 4-20 ma is very accurate, but considering the wire being less than 1.0 ft. long. I imagine we won't lose much accuracy.

If I use a 0.5-2.5 Voltage Transducer, can I still use the Analog or ADC on the board?

Thanks again!

Hi,

Yes that would be ideal, as the ESP32 is 3V3 and a voltage of 0.5 to 2.5 would fit the input range of the controller.

1ft leads should not be a problem.
Tom.. :smiley: :+1: :coffee: :australia:

No need to apologize, we post here to help folks, it makes me feel good.

Anyway,
The Amazon page suggests the sensor requires 8 to 32Vdc you might get by with a little less but 3.4 Volts won't cut it.

Tom,

Thanks again for the help. I spoke with my professor and come to find out, he tricked us on purpose. I spoke with him about the voltages. He knows the 0.5-2.5 voltage transducer is expensive and the 4-20 am transducer needs a bigger battery.

My plan is to use the battery below (3.7V 1000mah) since the board is only good for 3.3 Volts. One thing I didn't think about is how to power the board and transducer at the same time.

Questions:

  1. Could the pressure transducer (0.5V~4.5V) be powered through the ESP 32 board or does the battery need to be separate from the board and the transducer to avoid noise?
  2. Could I still use a pressure transducer with a voltage of 0.5V~4.5V? I know the max voltage would be 3.3V or 3.7V depending on how to wire the battery to power the board and the transducer. The psi would be incorrect due to it not having 4.5 volts.

This is the battery I'm thinking about purchasing: https://www.amazon.com/YTKavq-1000mAh-Battery-Rechargeable-Connector/dp/B08TV284QQ/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=3.7V%2F1000mAh+lithium&qid=1638844428&s=electronics&sr=1-4

This is the gauge I'm thinking about purchasing (0-30PSI): https://www.amazon.com/Thread-Stainless-Pressure-Transducer-Sender/dp/B07N8SX347/ref=sr_1_8?keywords=0-2.5%2Bv%2Bpressure%2Btransducer&qid=1638844508&s=automotive&sr=1-8&th=1

Thanks!

Do you have any specific transducer requirements? i.e. could you use something like this Adafruit (3.3V) ?

If the project spec says you need to use a 4-20mA sensor WHY are you looking at other types?

That isnt why a 4-20mA range is used. Its to avoid voltage losses in connecting wires. You simply convert I to V at your measuring device with a fixed ( small) resisitor.
So a 50 ohm r would give you voltages between 200mV & 1.0V, suitable for your ADC.

However you need at least 8V for the sensor - I'd suggest a 9V battery, although if it MUST run from a 3.7V supply you could use a boost converter.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Converter-Voltage-Adjustable-Module-LM2577/dp/B00HI7G7HS

You could limit current drain by turning off the sensor supply between readings, using a suitable mosfet.

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