Feasibility? Monitor wirelessly CO2 (up to 100%), RH, Temp inside fumigation

Good day all.

I am a first time Arduino user/builder (or will be). I wish to monitor the level (up to 100%) of CO2 along with RH and temp inside a fumigation bubble tent for use within museums. We have been using such a tent for many years but the monitoring within the tent has been for O2 only and requires a wall piercing for the probe connection. I wish to upgrade and change that.

I have found the sensor for the CO2, one of the COZIR sensors, likely the wide range one. It may or may not be able to also provide RH and Temp data. In the event that it does not, then I will have to add an RH/Temp sensor.

There needs to be data-logging capability lasting at the minimum for 3 weeks duration. An SD card would be fine.

But, I need to be able to connect wirelessly in some manner to monitor real time current data and to retrieve data from the SD card (without deleting that data).

Also, this would need to be a self contained apparatus for the duration of the fumigation run (normally 2 to 3 weeks).

Ideally I would be able to have three sets of sensors. One placed high in the bubble tent, one at mid-level and one near the bottom of the tent. This would be to track stratification due to density sorting by the gas environment.
I think these are my requirements.

I would like your thoughts on the feasibility of this project. But also I would very much like some help in getting started with choosing what Arduino, shields, etc. that I should begin pulling together. A good start at a basic shopping list would be ideal.

I look forward to your thoughts and advice.

Regards

Matadormac

Seems pretty feasible. You can use bluetooth or Zigbee for PC communication. I would suggest 3 arduinos with different Bluetooth names for your three locations.

If it needs to be self-contained then power consumption would be the first issue to address. Are you happy to give it an arbitrarily big battery to enable it to run for as long as you want? If there are any size/weight/cost constraints on that you'd need to know how much power you will have available to see whether you need any special measures to minimise power consumption. The Arduino power consumption is known, but you'd need to know the power consumption of the sensors, and whatever wireless solution you choose.

I suspect he can at least run a power cable into the tent. I am assuming what is in there has an electrical connection for lights, etc.

KeithRB:
I suspect he can at least run a power cable into the tent. I am assuming what is in there has an electrical connection for lights, etc.

The mention of wall-piercing and wireless communication in the original post suggested the opposite to me.

What about having half of a transformer on each side of the tent wall to transfer power to keep a battery charged?

...R

Good thinking. I suppose you could use a Qi transmitter/receiver, come to that.

Thank you all.

Yes, I need to run this from a battery preferentially but mains power is possible in a pinch. The sensor I have in mind is very low power consumption so this helps.

The bluetooth suggestion seems to have legs in my mine. I suppose I would need 3 separate arduino, bluetooth equipped with CO2 sensor modules then. That somehow seems simpler than running with wireless from one unit with three sensors.

The 100% capable CO2 sensor is a rare beast most other CO2 sensors are set up for human danger levels which are less than 20%. Since I am killing insects and need assurance this has happened I need the higher % sensors.

From everyone's experience which would be the Arduino module and bluetooth shield that would be recommended?

Thank you once again.

Matadormac

Bluetooth modules are available from the common Arduino component suppliers. There are also clones with integral bluetooth. For example, on another recent thread, jremington said:

jremington:
I like the Pololu Wixel (2.4 GHz, range about 50 feet indoors). It is not Arduino compatible but is programmed in C and is very well documented, with many examples. Pololu - Wixel Pair + USB Cable

If you want Arduino compatibility you might consider the "Blend Micro", an ATmega328 and Bluetooth on a single board http://redbearlab.com/blendmicro/ However, from the website it appears to be very poorly documented.

The Sparkfun BlueSmirf's are easy to use.

How big is the tent? I'm wondering if you really need an arduino per sensor.

100%CO2 are only a few like vaisala, however it is possiblke.
You will need to monitor the O2 too.
humidity and temp can be done with normal sensors.

You will need to check on accuracy and dependency of the concentrations:
teh CO2 is calibrated in 20% O2 for example, if no oxygen is present what is the value of the co2 at that point.
same for other sensors

You will have to check humidity carefully as the wood will dry too fast.

I would make a instrument box with a small rechargable battery in the bottom and an wifi antenna.
and this a few times.on the outside an antenna on a pc to monitor the values.
An SD card in each unit can hold the data.

I made a similar project where i graphed the environmental variables from a greenhouse using arduino and bluetooth, see post
http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?PHPSESSID=8lqtm01hphvhaq8ahss77g6f93&topic=91467.0

the arduino sends the data to my computer via bluetooth and a WPF application graphs out the live values, i also used a 1mb eprom chip to store historic values, and when i loaded my application up on the pc it would get all the values stored, clear the eprom and the application would put all the data into an SQL database, the application would graph all data out in the database.

The COZIR range of sensors can do 100% CO2 and have built in Temp/RH sensors so you get 3 for 1.

here is a screen of my application

if i were to do it again i may use a bigger eprom chip, i did manage to get my windows phone getting data from the device and by using telerik graphing controls was able to graph out and view live data which was pretty cool.

Good luck with your project, its more than feasible, using arduino and some programming skills it would be easy to do.

DirtGambit

Matadormac:
Good day all.

I am a first time Arduino user/builder (or will be). I wish to monitor the level (up to 100%) of CO2 along with RH and temp inside a fumigation bubble tent for use within museums. We have been using such a tent for many years but the monitoring within the tent has been for O2 only and requires a wall piercing for the probe connection. I wish to upgrade and change that.

I have found the sensor for the CO2, one of the COZIR sensors, likely the wide range one. It may or may not be able to also provide RH and Temp data. In the event that it does not, then I will have to add an RH/Temp sensor.

There needs to be data-logging capability lasting at the minimum for 3 weeks duration. An SD card would be fine.

But, I need to be able to connect wirelessly in some manner to monitor real time current data and to retrieve data from the SD card (without deleting that data).

Also, this would need to be a self contained apparatus for the duration of the fumigation run (normally 2 to 3 weeks).

Ideally I would be able to have three sets of sensors. One placed high in the bubble tent, one at mid-level and one near the bottom of the tent. This would be to track stratification due to density sorting by the gas environment.
I think these are my requirements.

I would like your thoughts on the feasibility of this project. But also I would very much like some help in getting started with choosing what Arduino, shields, etc. that I should begin pulling together. A good start at a basic shopping list would be ideal.

I look forward to your thoughts and advice.

Regards

Matadormac

Indeed, this sounds QUITE feasible. I don't know about the CO2 sensor. I'll leave that to you.

There are off-the-shelf serial interface temp/humidity sensors you can buy. SparkFun sells a couple: Check out this link: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10167

There is another one that has .5 degree (F) precision.

You need to map out the parameters of your problem. Is there AC power inside the space that will be enclosed by the tent(s)? If so, you won't need to worry about batteries.

Bluetooth Low Energy is very low power, and has a range of about 60 meters in ideal conditions, but inside a building is not ideal conditions.

How far is the distance between the location where you need the different sensors, and is there line of site between them? Will they all be in the same tent? You could lower the cost and power requirements if you could run all 3 sets of sensors from the same Ardudino, but then you would need to run long wires, and might need to adjust for the additional resistance from the longer wires.

You might need to run some tests to see if you can get BLE signals between your Arduino module(s) and your PC.

I would suggest researching a Bluetooth shield and which Arduinos it works with. Then buy an Arduino and the BLE shield, write a test program that sends data over BLE, put it in the target locations in the museum, put the PC in the target receiving location, and make sure you can receive the BLE signals.

You can estimate the amount of power needed by adding up the current requirements of the different devices (Arduino, BLE shield, sensor modules, etc.) Batteries are rated in amp-hours. Add up your current requirements, multiply by the number of hours you need the device to run, and get a battery that provides 20% to 50% more than that so you have a margin of safety. Measuring the actual current used would be more accurate, but probably isn't required.

All the devices you are talking about are very low power devices, so you should be able to run them for your 3 week duration using a battery. At the worst you could probably use a car battery, which provides gobs of power and is designed for long shelf-life, but that will probably be overkill. I expect a smaller 6 volt sealed lead-acid battery like those used for alarm systems would provide plenty of power