How to use NTC 100k thermistor to measure high temperature?

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Hello,

Hello,

I am using a NTC 100k 3950 thermistor to measure the temperature of the hotend of 3D printer. I just wire the heater, thermistor, and Arduino UNO to test if the reading relatively correct. I reference the code from Adafruit written by Lady ada: Thermistor

However, it seems doesn't work at high temperature (like 230-240), and I always get the temperature reading is -273.15 at high temperature. I think the B constant highly affects the reading, it should not be set still equal to 3950 even at 240 degree C. But I don't know how to fix it.

Is any one knows how to handle this or share some code to measure the high temperature. Thanks！！！

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What is the value of the pull up resistor.
It should be about the same value of the thermistor at working temp (so not 100k).
Leo..

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The thermistor in the tutorial is 10k and the fixed resistor is 10k, your thermistor is 100k, is your fixed R 100k? :slight_smile:

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edgemoron:
...your thermistor is 100k, is your fixed R 100k? :slight_smile:

I think about 4k7 pull up is needed for those high temps.
Leo..

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edgemoron:
The thermistor in the tutorial is 10k and the fixed resistor is 10k, your thermistor is 100k, is your fixed R 100k? :slight_smile:

Yes, I series a 988000 ohm resistor.

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Boyce:
Yes, I series a 988000 ohm resistor.

Typo? that's almost 1Megohm.
~100k is ok for room temp measurements, but wrong for high temp printer head sensing.
Read post#1 again.
Leo..

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Normally the curve / equation for the device is in the datasheet.

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You should measure the resistance of the thermistor in the center of the range of interest (e.g. 235 C) and use a pullup resistor of about the same value.

The code must be changed to match.

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Hi :).
Now you can read any thermistor thanks to this library:

Use a basic example.
Connect the termistor to GND and A0 pin.
Connect a 4k7 resistor series to VCC.
Connect a 10Uf into A0 to GND.
And Have fun, the library works! :D.

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Now if only that library had documentation on how to choose and set parameters for whatever NTC you happen to have...

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Hi.
I'm trying to measure the temperature with 100k NTC.
I am using Temperature Sensor v2.0 - RepRap.
He's wrong after 170 degrees.
There is about 20 degree difference.
I am using pullup 4.7K ohm.
How can I fix?

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Assuming you're using the code on that page: amend the values in

short temptable[NUMTEMPS][2]

to match the properties of your specific thermistor.

Or ditch that poorly designed overkill piece of PCB, get a proper pull-up resistor (they appear to be using carbon film type - wtf?) and just wire it up to an analog input. That's really all you need. Then calibrate your thermistor, or look up a resistance vs. temperature table and use that as lookup table to calculate temperature.

And do have a look at Adafruit's great thermistor tutorial.

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hi. I am using the following codes and many different temp table use. but I didn't.

#define THERMISTOR_PIN 0
// r0: 100000
// t0: 25
// r1: 0
// r2: 4700
// beta: 4092
// max adc: 1023
#define NUMTEMPS 20
short temptable[NUMTEMPS][2] = {
   {1, 821},
   {54, 252},
   {107, 207},
   {160, 182},
   {213, 165},
   {266, 152},
   {319, 141},
   {372, 131},
   {425, 123},
   {478, 115},
   {531, 107},
   {584, 100},
   {637, 93},
   {690, 86},
   {743, 78},
   {796, 70},
   {849, 60},
   {902, 49},
   {955, 34},
   {1008, 3}
};
void setup()
{
   Serial.begin(9600);
   Serial.println("Starting temperature exerciser.");
}

void loop()
{
   int rawvalue = analogRead(THERMISTOR_PIN);
   int celsius = read_temp();
   int fahrenheit = (((celsius * 9) / 5) + 32);

   Serial.print("Current temp: ");
   Serial.print(celsius);
   Serial.print("C / ");
   Serial.print(fahrenheit);
   Serial.println("F");
   
   Serial.print("Raw value: ");
   Serial.println(rawvalue);
   Serial.println(" ");

   delay(1000);
}

int read_temp()
{
   int rawtemp = analogRead(THERMISTOR_PIN);
   int current_celsius = 0;

   byte i;
   for (i=1; i<NUMTEMPS; i++)
   {
      if (temptable[i][0] > rawtemp)
      {
         int realtemp  = temptable[i-1][1] + (rawtemp - temptable[i-1][0]) * (temptable[i][1] - temptable[i-1][1]) / (temptable[i][0] - temptable[i-1][0]);

         if (realtemp > 255)
            realtemp = 255; 

         current_celsius = realtemp;

         break;
      }
   }

   // Overflow: We just clamp to 0 degrees celsius
   if (i == NUMTEMPS)
   current_celsius = 0;

   return current_celsius;
}
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