Mixed signal PCB design , Dipole antenna ?

Hi everyone,

I have got a project in mind that involves high speed AC and digital signals, So I am starting to document myself on the topic, However I don't seem to clearly understand, why the following is clearly stated in all the documentation I have checked:

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-> A system should only have one reference plane, if not we would create a dipole antenna.

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I understand that by creating a dipole antenna the board would more susceptible to noise and it will be itself electrically noisy. (undesirable).

However Why would we create an antenna by having more than one reference plane in a board ?

it may be a silly question, I am just however aiming to understand the concept clearly.

Cheers !
Thanks

Because each plane can have different potentials, currents can flow between them, and they occupy a different adjacent region of space. Actually, two reference planes that are collinear, as in two solid layers of a PCB, would not be very much of a dipole, because they occupy more or less the same region of space (compared with one wavelength of interest). They are talking about separate regions of the board.

Hi,
How high AC FREQUENCY?
Are you talking about RF?

What is the application?
Knowing exactly what you want to do will mean you get quicker and more relevant answers.

Tom.. :slight_smile:

it is basically a sensing application in which I got multiple capacitive sensors (Talking about a few Khz for excitation signals), and I also have a few peripherals attached to the same MCU, such as two SPI buses and probably a TWI, So the main goal is to properly understand how to avoid electrical noise on my analog signals from the digital side of the design.

As I understand grounding is critical is this case as High Speed digital signals may add noise to my measurements on the analog side.

So I am just trying to get my head around it, so that my design will be optimal.

Cheers !

A few kHz is not considered high speed for signalling.

The Arduino's ADC is slowish at 9.6 ksps maximum.

In contrast, the I2C default speed is at 100 kHz; SPI default is 4 MHz (for a 16 MHz Arduino).

If you're really worried at those signals at your analog inputs (they're probably too high frequency to really affect your readings) you can add a 100p-1n cap on the input. Alternative: make your Arduino sleep during the analog reading, to guaranteed have no communication on those buses.

A few kHz is 4 to 5 orders of magnitude less than your groundplane acting as a dipole. Not a problem.

The high speed logic noise is what can trigger the board to radiate as an antenna in the UHF and microwave bands. To produce a commercial product you have to prove the design complies with EMI emission limits
which is done by measuring it's RFI in an RF anechoic chamber - costs money.

Hi,
What model Arduino are you using?
Have you looked at this;
https://playground.arduino.cc/Main/CapacitiveSensor/
or

or
googled arduino capacitive touch

Thanks.. Tom... :slight_smile: