Sensors for electronic air pistol target?

I'm thinking of trying to make an electronic scoring system for 10m air pistol/rifle use.

The commercial units (quite expensive) use, I believe, 3 x IR lasers to triangulate the position of a pellet passing through the plane of the 3 lasers. The precision needs to be sub-millimetre, probably 0.1mm or so. Measuring at a distance of maybe 100mm. The pellets will be passing the lasers at around 160 m/s.

Is this something that I can realistically expect to achieve, and what lasers/sensors would do the job?

Do you have any experience with electronics and programming

Some… I built an Arduino-based replacement for an old dashboard clock using a GPS module for time, stopwatch/lap timing, and average speed. But I didn't program from first principles, rather I copied, pasted and adapted other people's code. SO that's about my level… pretty good at bodging things together, but I probably don't fully understand what I'm doing.

Lasers seem difficult. https://www.intarso.com/en/ts10-sports-target/ says "160 000 images per second" "smart line cameras"

Hi @zogster,

I understand you want to measure the xy-position of a pellet/bullet crossing a plane monitored by lasers, correct?

Do you have a link to a reference of such commercial units?

Just to understand what physical/technical principle you are referring to ...

Regards
ec2021

Exactly :wink:

Can you answer this question:

If I have a laser diode with a Vf of 5.6V and a 12V power supply, what would be the value for the current limiting resistor for a laser current of 70mA.
If not you may have some difficulty doing what you want

If the project is for your personal use, stay with paper targets and a proper backstop.
If the project is for a group or a non-profit, consider asking the commercial manufacturers for a donation; maybe for some consideration such as "Sponsored by..." etc.

Building a home unit for sub-millimeter accuracy is going to involve a considerable investment of engineering time.

Commercial system: Why Electronic Target Systems – Kongsberg Target Systems

Now, you could outfit a rifle/pistol with a 1-3 mW laser pointer inside the barrel and construct a rather nice electronic target of phototransistors (or LEDS used as optical sensors) and a reasonable cost.

otoh, without googling anything, I think that will depend on the resistance of the laser diode. But assuming the diode resistance can be ignored, we need a resistor that will ensure 70mA current flowing through diode+resistor given a 12V supply. I think that Vf is the voltage drop across the diode when operating with current in the forward direction, so 6.4V needs to drop across the resistor. V=IR, so the resistor value would 6.4/0.07, which by mental arithmetic is around 90.

So 90 Ohms. I'm sure that's either very close, or completely wrong.

ps, I realised that I changed my mind about how I was working that out half way through, and I DID need to consider the diode resistance!

Re. where it would be used - it would be for club use on a 10m range

Your first answer was right

This is the kind of thing: https://www.sius.com/en/product-page/ls10-laserscore

As I'm reading a little more, I'm starting to wonder if acoustic sensors might be better for my application and skill level

... try Vd which is the voltage drop across the diode.

Similar to:
How to Calculate Resistor Value for LED Lighting | Simply Smarter Circuitry Blog (circuitspecialists.com)

However, a resistor for a laser diode is not appropriate except for those $1 cheap-butt pointers. Lasers utilize "laser driver circuit" which is an active current limiting circuit rather than the passive resistor. The more advanced circuits for lasers can be rather complex:
LASER DIODE DRIVER BASICS – Wavelength Electronics (teamwavelength.com)

Electronic Targets—Coming to a range near you? | An NRA Shooting Sports Journal (ssusa.org)

Ah, it turns out there's an open source project along the lines:

Acoustic and not laser, but that might be a better place to start as most of the work is already done. Hmmm…

Agree it may be a better start. I have no idea if the accuracy can approach what you originally indicated.

There are three major elements:

  • The target sensor and acquisition electronics
  • The target housing
  • The PC visualization software

It would have to be suitable for use in club competitions, so a laser pistol wouldn't do the trick – but I can see you're probably right that it might be easier

I wondered about the precision also - haven't found a specification for that for the project, but it's clearly good enough for a lot of shooting clubs which is a good sign.

As an avid air-rifle and air-pistol (CO2) enthusiast, the most serious problem with laser simulations is the weight of the gun and the lack of realistic recoil. There are few good solutions without approaching the firearm manufacturers.