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I did the same search and found nothing.
The fact we search shows we take the "attitude alarm" seriously. Which I think is good.
My thinking about "witty curmudgeon"
I had some real bad feeling about "witty curmudgeon" myself. There are however some remarks I'd like to make:
IMHO "witty curmudgeon" is not a moderator of this forum.
Even though "witty curmudgeon" sometimes brings the message short "witty curmudgeon" is mostly right.
I have seem multiple occasions where moderators jumped in.
I have seen "witty curmudgeon" continue and reach success where I would have given up.
Another thing that pop's up in my mind.
I've once been to a presentation of Jim Piante (great speaker and well respected project/program manager) about his experiences as a football coach for kids soccer compared to his experiences as project/program manager.
What he pointed out is that the soccer team is composed of people who voluntarily become member of the team.
As a coach you can not choose the team. The members of the team chose to become member and as such the team starts to exist.
The very same is true here on the forum.
So yes there are arrogant experts/newbies/(non-)native English speakers ..... here on the forum.
And there is nothing the moderators can/should do about this.
I personally think that the moderators are doing a great job.
Best regards
Jantje
I have no sympathy for "witty" curmudgeons. Degrading sarcasm is not funny to anyone, even when some experienced old-timer thinks he's earned the right. If you can't behave, just shut up. Don't help, just go away. I personally would rather fill that void or possibly leave some questions unanswered (heck, plenty of my questions have been... I survived) than to insult newcomers and give them the impression that's how we roll over here. There's plenty of that crap on the Internet, and this place is almost completely free of it. That's the single greatest thing about this place IMO.
I don't mean to extend this to amusing curmudgeons, who are old crusty opinionated gurus that have a genuine sense of humor. The difference is primarily the use of insults aimed at the poster. That's my line in the sand.
Now, the vast majority of people here go to great lengths to help, even when the OP is a poor communicator, lazy, or is struggling through language or experience barriers. And there's a LOT of traffic to get through, so that's no mean feat. Every support(ish) forum struggles with the redundant questions vs. self-help aspect. It's a tough balance, since the community often puts in a lot of time to provide resources, and the really green newbies may have no idea what to make of that material. I've been in that position before, where you have no idea where to start, nor what to search for, so you give up and say "I'm sure this is 101, but how the heck do I ... ?" I have no issue with being told "that's in this post / article / link, go read up and ask questions if that doesn't make sense." I don't like being told "maybe I should Google it for you?" since I have most likely tried to find the answer myself every way I know how (I don't like waiting for answers that I could have found myself.) That's not the case with everyone, I understand, but RTFM can still be stated politely. If you find yourself unable to deal without getting abrasive, maybe it's time to take a break for a while. No shame in that.
I don't like being told "maybe I should Google it for you?" since I have most likely tried to find the answer myself every way I know how
What about when the poster says, "i have been googling this for three days and I can't find anything" then you google the thing he is asking about and the top hit is exactly what he wants?
That deserves the "maybe I should Google it for you?" link with the search terms put in:- http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+eat+an+elephant
and in no way is telling the poster that he is stupid.
And I deliberately say he because all of the far too few women that post here have much better communication skills.
But simply if you don't know something then you don't know it and if you ask you will get an answer. If you don't understand the answer then ask again about what you don't understand.
I don't like being told "maybe I should Google it for you?" since I have most likely tried to find the answer myself every way I know how
What about when the poster says, "i have been googling this for three days and I can't find anything" then you google the thing he is asking about and the top hit is exactly what he wants?
Well, I have also been the subject of that unfortunate circumstance. I once read a datasheet, found an abbreviated term I did not know, asked in a forum stocked full of self-proclaimed experts who snapped at the opportunity to publicly display their superiority, and got the expected response: "Try Googling it." To which I replied, "I did -- here are the top five results of my search..." None of which sounded like they had anything to do with the subject matter. The response to that was, "I got the answer on my first attempt by adding (another possibly obvious term that I hadn't thought to include)." OK, if you know those two terms are related, it cuts through the false positives pretty quick. Fair enough. The problem is, I didn't know what context the abbreviation came from. General mechanical term? Industry specific? A typo?
I offer this story only as a perspective. Sometimes the answer is so blatantly obvious .... if you know it already.
This doesn't necessarily excuse the legions of questions that can be answered by typing "Arduino + (thing)" and clicking "I'm Feeling Lucky", just something to keep in mind.
Yes but note how no one actually gave any personal abuse like saying he was stupid or calling him numb nuts like the OP of this thread would have us believe.
It is clear from that thread and his other posts that he did not have the language skills to understand an answer.
When the post is formatted it should check for "void ()" and if it's not Inside the code tag, refuse to post and instead link them to the rules about posting...
Thinking about it, why not analyze the entire post and check for abusive language and red flag it.....
As for Coding Badly, he like Steve are just grumpy seen it all been there got the tshirt and help more grudgingly than to be genuine/helpfull....
I'm nice to everyone until they give me reason not to be, plenty here refuse to be nice to people unless they posses power/skill ehatever it may be, that they themselves do not possess. .. I treat all as equal and I'll gladly challenge anyones behaviour I have no interest in crawling or becoming a moderator no interest at all, I will help anyone I can and when people like mr grumpy attacks you for not knowing something or getting it wrong... ok fine I'm sorry for putting effort into understanding and trying to help...
Great someone who knows does! Now I know too.... shame about the verbal abuse given for trying to help, pointing it out is fine but why am I being chastised for it?.. ego trip?
(In case it is not clear, the person who was called an idiot, was the author of an article elsewhere, not the fellow posting here. This may have been misconstrued.)
I will help anyone I can and when people like mr grumpy attacks you for not knowing something or getting it wrong
There is a world of difference between not knowing something and asking advice about it and not knowing something and yet trying to give advice about it.
Or asking for advice, and when that is addressed, disputing that without any validity.
This has been mentioned in this thread as a possible cause of "grumpyness", certainly when that happens lots of times a day.
In mentioned thread, it happened multiple times already.
Remember that you are not the only one asking for attention each day when asking a question and try to put all available information in your question in the right format so your question can be addressed correctly.
I guess that should go in my signoff too as i see myself keeping mentioning that.
MAS3:
I guess that should go in my signoff too as i see myself keeping mentioning that.
As I recall, Nick Gammon wired up a Leonardo to act as a USB keyboard, with something like 15 buttons that would type in various canned answers (like pointers to his power saving and other articles). That way, he didn't even have to cut+paste, he just had to press a button.
I use two online forums a lot and the difference is night and day. The other forum(motorcycle brand) is conspicuously welcoming and unfailingly kind. This one doesn't suffer fools.
bill2009:
I use two online forums a lot and the difference is night and day. The other forum(motorcycle brand) is conspicuously welcoming and unfailingly kind. This one doesn't suffer fools.
Odd that can you provide a link to this forum of virtue.
We get many beginners posting here and praising the attitude and friendlessness of there experience. And yet there are others like you who think we are not so friendly. We are constant in what we do so the difference must be with the posters.
The thing about asking for help ( and I know I have done it myself on other forums ) is that there must be a modicum of the "I don't know this but you might can you help", modesty, instead of what I have seen as a modern attitude of "I don't understand so you must be telling me wrong".
Really late to chime in but I absolutely hate this forum's search function. I can't even find my own posts. I have hundred pages of them so I can't just do it with brute force. As a helper, I'd like to bookmark questions I answered so I can refer to them next time I see the same question. I can't cause there's not such function.
liudr:
Really late to chime in but I absolutely hate this forum's search function. I can't even find my own posts. I have hundred pages of them so I can't just do it with brute force. As a helper, I'd like to bookmark questions I answered so I can refer to them next time I see the same question. I can't cause there's not such function.
Use google: "+liudr +menu site:arduino.cc" The site attribute restricts the searches to the arduino site.
~1080 results
liudr:
Really late to chime in but I absolutely hate this forum's search function. I can't even find my own posts. I have hundred pages of them so I can't just do it with brute force. As a helper, I'd like to bookmark questions I answered so I can refer to them next time I see the same question. I can't cause there's not such function.
